RAA L1 training assessment thing

[Ombre]

I have now had time to give the matter of the L1 assessment thing

 

some considerable thought. Personally in my opinion It needs to be replaced

 

and at the same time get rid of the developer of the web site and

 

for the RAA to ask for their money back

 

As I do many in service on line courses and this again is one

 

of the worst I have had anything to do with.

 

However lets go forward

 

Why is there a need for a time limit on the 50 questions?

 

For what purpose does a time limit do, other than being an exam,

 

test or for that matter an assessment.

 

And for what purpose is this an assessment, but for no

 

other reason it can be suggested to maintain ones own aircraft up to and not

 

including a 100 hourly, what rational is in this timed 50 questions?

 

There needs to be Something better ... and may I suggest one.

 

One of the best on line training couses or pre course material

 

that I have done recently is a FIRST AID COURSE. Though

 

PARASOL.

 

As with others in my government department I have to have

 

Currency every two years, than I suggest the RAA has a look at

 

the Parasol application and now this other organisation approaches

 

on line learning.

 

Their course is well structured in individual sections dealing with

 

Separate medical conditions just as I would imagine maintaining

 

Recreational light aircraft study is divided into individual sections

 

and chapters of reference.

 

There is no time limit in the Parasol online course and one works

 

though the material at their own pace.

 

With the Parasol course it allows more that one attempt at each

 

section, and as each section is passed, the applicant can go

 

onto the next section in order or choose another.

 

The RAA L1 assessment system allows three hours. Well we are all busy people

 

and quite often good folk may not have three hours to spare, things

 

do happen that may need their immediate attention. With the PARASOL

 

on line training if one has to leave, the online training can be picked

 

back up at a latter time until the online training or workbook is complete.

 

So for me that's a big cross for the RAA in how this trial has been presented.

 

The word assessment should be replaced with perhaps with the word

 

workbook and that's where it should be, an open book study

 

of the revelent subject material, not if you don't pass come back

 

in 3 months, or be the subject of remedial action, as explained

 

in the RAA assessment pre reading.

 

This is not applying first aid in saving someone's life, this is a

 

relatively low key matter, so one can only maintain his aircraft.

 

So why all the restrictions

 

By the way how much is RAA paying to develop this on line

 

Assessment/bullshit.

 

Perhaps others may have a different view.

 

Cheers

 

Ombré

 

 

[fly_tornado]

this is the RAA

 

 

[seb7701]

Yes, I have a different view. I reckon you could have completed the assessment in the time to took to provide 'considerable thought' to so many points of complaint.

 

First up, yes, it is an assessment, so yes, a time limit is generally applied where I come from. Three hours is plenty of time I would think, even if you are a busy person providing an immediate response to matters requiring your attention! Remember of course that you have already had UNLIMITED time to peruse the study guide, so the exam is just the final step.

 

Secondly, yes, as you have already mentioned, the purpose of this assessment IS for no other purpose than maintaining your own aircraft from what I understand. Many people are indicating that they shouldn't have to complete the assessment when they have been undertaking this maintenance for ever already. I can understand this frustration, however luckily, those that already have a vast knowledge of maintenance should find it an absolute snap to complete the assessment. Those that don't may just learn something - I'm sure I will!

 

I'm afraid also that from where I stand, it is possible that some students may be taught to fly with very minimal attention to maintenance, so I see it as a valuable safeguard with very minimal tradeoff in the form of some time.

 

If the website does the job, then how about you just do it? I'll bet if they spent extra $$ on a super flash website you'd be whinging about that too!

 

It is impossible to please everyone, but if makes far more sense to try to ensure some form of minimal standard of knowledge than to assume a level of knowledge to avoid offending anyone. In this day and age, people lacking knowledge who later become involved in an incident are usually very quick to try and shift blame and complaint that they were never provided with sufficient knowledge to save them from themselves.

 

As for the workbook vs assessment business - surely the word 'assessment' isn't too big and mean? I hope this isn't one of those times when people complain that the red pen on their school exams caused them issues, such that things should now be marked in green instead.....

 

Incidentally, the last (QAS) first aid course I completed had a (gasp) written assessment, (undertaken in less than 3 hrs). I think the underlying idea was safety and thus saving lives, much the same way that aircraft maintenance knowledge is aimed at further preventing your aircraft from suffering in flight issues which may therefore........save your life??

 

And yes, I'm sure others may have a different view to me also!

 

 

[Kununurra]

Dammed if they do dammed if they don't.

 

To give the course some form of credibility there needs to be an assessment, and it does need to be timed in my opinion.

 

I am sure there are a few glitches with the web site and or process but I have completed the assessment myself and identified an issue which was immediately rectified by RAA. You can't ask for more than that.

 

RAA also asked for feedback after completing the course so I am sure would welcome all feedback to gain many points of view.

 

Any training is better than no training.

 

Solutions are always better than problems.

 

Cheers

 

 

[facthunter]

I've set (and sat) more exams than most, over the years I would suggest, and the time factor is usually present and you should have enough time to complete the whole exam with some to spare. Ie lack of adequate time should NOT be an issue.

 

IF the exam (ASSESSMENT) is directly related to practical knowledge you should have to do the job (or you shouldn't be permitted to do it), it would be hard to argue against doing it at some time of reestablishing a known base of qualification.

 

If it is something you can (or must) cram and quick learn from a limited book then It's a waste of time and money and might be more effective in creating an appearance to be doing something rather than achieving much else. I'm not suggesting this is the case here. . Nev

 

 

[robinsm]

If this takes someone 3hrs to complete may I suggest they should not be flying. Most of the questions are basic and people should know the information requested for their own safety. Most of this should have been picked up during flight training.

 

 

[Ombre]

Hi all and thanks to all that have taken time to express their views

 

May I very kindly say when posting views on this subject matter please

 

be professional and do not post any personal direct comments towards me

 

But there is more to tell.

 

I can inform all readers that the RAA assessment

 

that I did undertake failed me after completing only one question, that was all

 

I did one question and about to start the second.

 

Guys can I very politely say the RAA assessment site has problems and I have alerted

 

the RAA Technical folk of some flaws.

 

May I also suggest that being ON CALL has certain disadvantages to those good

 

folk sitting the RAA L1 3 hour assessment.

 

Be good

 

Cheers

 

Ombré