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Guest micgrace

Hi guys, a question?


Does anyone practice old style navigation anymore? (pre GPS)





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Guest babs1aus

Yes I have to. the Gps is just far too complicated compared to the


ruler map compass watch daisy wheel and eyesight which work without


power well sorry the watch uses a battery.


Sorry seems there is a growing trend in all aviation sectors to use the


goto command. I only took up flying so I could see the scenery Id have


stuck with Flight sim if I liked buttons screens. It also ensures that


I always keep myself safely flying with visible terrain(you know the ground with all those little features that relate to those maps you carry).


I have to say there is so more to navigation than just knowing where


you are going. There is your time personal safety audit fuel weather


terrain airspace frequency changes contingencies. I know some of the


available units have alot of information however flight planning is


exactly that a plan with a set of checks and balances to help you. I


have to be honest I dont go cross country as much nowdays I still enjoy


getting out the gear when I do and doing a plan.


Must be great to go somewhere on a gps get there ontop only to find a


2500 foot layer of cloud down to 50 agl feet seperates you from a nice


cold beer family and freinds .????


Guess its a worst case scenario however it happens.



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Guest sypkens

I have recently completed my cross country endorsement and have only recently bought a GPS (that is already giving me hassles and I have not used it on a cross country yet).


I enjoy the old way of navigating for exactly the reasons that is


mentioned above - checks and balances. Even if I can get my GPS working


eventually I still will do the old style navigating and fly with the


map as I see the GPS being a complimentory to navigation (making sure you don't get off your planned track too much).





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i always use the old fashioned method, my GPS isnt really capable of


aviation navigation, though it does come in handy to get your ground


speed. which is pretty much all i use it for.





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Really important! Make sure you can navigate by first principles - ie


compass, clock and prayer wheel. Then use GPS to make life easier. But


when GPS fails, you can fall back on your first principles knowledge.




bit like autopilot, really. If you have one, it would be silly to do a


long flight manually. But it's important to be able to fly manually.


Problem is, the modern attitude seems to be (in all sorts of things)


I don't have to know how... the machine will do it for me. Great while


the machine is working. Not so good when the wheels fall off.



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I have covered most of this country with clock, map and compass


including remote area flying. A GPS takes some worry out of cross


country flying, the flying with a GPS is a lot more enjoyable. I still


do a plan and carry the relevent maps and paperwork but will admit to


using the GOTO button a fair bit. The main trouble with GPS use is


finger trouble, used as an aid with all the rest of the standard nav


gear I can see no problem in using one.



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Guest Prometheus

Agreed... key word there is that GPS is an 'aid'.


Plan manually, Navigate manually; Clock-to-Map-to-Ground. VFR is just


that, navigating on what you see, not what some gizmo is telling you


you should see.


This topic reminds me of the 757 that went into the mountains just


outside of Cali Columbia. The Captain attempted to find the next


waypoint using the flight computer (which should bring up the nearest at the top of the list) needless to say the GPS didn't do what it was supposed to do and they flew the 757 CFiT (Controlled Flight into Terrain).


Just shows you what can happen when 1) you rely on the aircraft to do the flying & 2) you put the aircraft into a situation your brain hasn't been five minutes beforehand.





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