kevinblack

I'll have to remember that😳

Never had that happen to me, there was/is nothing landomatic about a 172's landing gear.\. I just like the stability of the Warrior II on approach and especially in an Xwind and on short-final. But that's just me.

Nice aircraft and great rate, but Young is just a step too far (although..........).

Yes, a friend of mine has built a couple of RV6s IIRC and lastly an RV12 (He paid $70k for the propeller). It's a beautiful machine, but I think all up it was somewhere south of $300k and several years (and he was a very experienced builder). I just happen to like the old PA28s. But it looks like the RV range might be the way to go. The LSA range is attractive because of the Driver's license medical. I have no disqualifying conditions (one gammy eye, but that hasn't been an issue in then past), and I believe you can get a CASA medical from your GP (one passenger only). I am unsure of the license/medical requirements for experimental acft, I assume PPL required.

I am unsure of the intent. I asked because I wanted to know if there was an LSA that handled like a Warrior. I thought I made that pretty clear. As I said, I'm NOT really interested in following the PPL route (did you miss that). I was looking for something in the LSA arena. I though I made that clear. And as I also made clear, LSA ownership looks much cheaper. Sorry for the confusion.

Hey, thanks. Yes a couple of hours a week (not that cheap), BUT the cost of ownership of a Warrior II is significantly more than an LSA. War story: Almost went into a three-way share on an older Cherokee 180. The buy-in was $15k, the first annual was $88k (pretty much twice the purchase price). Sure, that's an extreme example and luckily I was out before it got to that. Even before that, the hourly cost of owning was in excess of the hourly cost of renting (I see your point). LSA ownership looks far more attractive.

My RAAUS type flying is essentially a few hours in a Jabiru J160, a few more in a J170 and a couple of right-seat trips in the early (low wing) Brumby LSA (which I found incredibly squirrely). I have a couple of hundred hours in Cessna 150/172, Cherokee 180 and Warrior II. The one I liked the most was the Warrior II, I just gelled with the handling etc etc. With a possible opportunity to get back into flying (not really interested in the PPL side, but would keep the controlled airspace rating) is there anything in LSA type market that handles like a Warrior II? It doesn't have to be a clone, but something with similar flying and handling characteristics. Price would be an issue, so doesn't have to be new. As an observation, I see J240s in the $60k-$80k price range. I don't know what the upper limit would be, but certainly nothing more than $150k (the actual upper limit could be quite below that, but it will definitely not be above that figure). Thanks......

Jenny, Firstly I am converting from GA (PA28-151/C152/C172) and have about 5+ hours in the Jabiru so I'm not the best guy for pointers there. It might be worth posting a new thread, there are others that post on the various forums that would be far better at answering your Jabiru specific questions. As I noted in one of my other posts, my landings at the moment are like a rabid dog with epilepsy. They are getting better, I'm using the rudder much more and the ailerons much less when landing. Having said that, I have similar problems as you - left pointing, rounding out too high etc. I was with an instructor last week who said the left pointing is a Jabiru trait. Your feet, ie. precisely where you are sitting isn't exactly perfectly straight, it is off center in a Jabiru so the tendency is to set yourself up with the aircraft pointing slightly left. Sounded reasonable to me, but you may wish to confirm that rather than accepting it at face value. With these lower inertia you have got to be on the rudder pedals all the time. And my usual instructor (many many hours in Jabirus (120/160/170/230)) teaches basically on (short) final keep it straight with the rudder and use the elevator to slow it down (or speed it up). On final most of the work is with your feet. I've used FSX for quite a while. Unless you have a very sophisticated setup (including rudder pedals etc etc) it's not going to help much with landing. Where it will help is with procedures, so just starting the aircraft, doing the preflight in the cockpit, runup, downwind checks, shutdown etc etc. The iris simulations are quite good and the presentation of the panel is pretty good depending on what's in your aircraft. The basic instruments and switches are all correct. For about $30 for FSX and $28 for a J170 or J160 (if that's what you are flying) I'd say it's worth it. It's not going to teach you to fly though. You may also wish to look at XPlane, there is a free XPlane J160 aircraft and XPlane costs about $60 so, in the wash, it's about the same. You can get a demo version and try it out with the default aircraft. http://www.x-plane.com/desktop/for-pilots/ Cheers,

They have also just released a J170 for $28 which you can find here. Cheers,

Polo Flat (YPFT) with Mike Apps, lovely guy, owns the airport.

@DrZoos, Appreciate the encouragement, hopefully that will be the case. Cheers,

@Russ, Actually I haven't bought anything, I'm simply doing the conversion. @DrZoos, Thanks for that. I'd read the J170/J230 articles (and FWIW the J160/J12o articles). I'm sensing the J230 is probably a better fit for me, but the J230 at the flight school I'm with recently blew an engine - the day of my first flight, I was next in line, as they say 'timing is everything' (valve or something came loose and trashed the engine). So I am training in what's available. Cheers,

I've looked, but cannot find a comparison. Firstly background: PPL 200+ hours over 16 years. Haven't flown for 5+ years due illness (and gaps before that due lack of $$$). Now done about 4-5 hours in J170D. Differences from Warrior: rudder pedals are no longer just foot rests much more difficult (for me) to: line up make a stable approach [*]ground rush (where I just didn't get that sensation in a Warrior) [*]rounding out too high (and consequently dropping it in) [*]close to the ground, well like a rabid dog with epilepsy (although getting better) [*]actually in the air, not too many issues (other than relearning what I had previously learned) My question, is there much difference between the J170D and the J230D when it comes to the approach and landing, ie. is the slightly heavier J230D more stable? Or, given same wings and a slightly bigger fuselage, does the J230D behave in precisely (or pretty much precisely) the same as the J170D? Cheers,

Steven, 1.3.1 is actually out and a bit more stable. 1.3.2 is out soon which will have point and click route selection I'm told. StuB, one o the testers, says it is already on his version. EDIT: Actually released today 081209. Cheers, Kevin

Ross, FD, Thanks for that. GA, done YSCB/YMRY a few times and up/down the Araluen valley. In the past I've headed down at Ulladulla and flown down the coast to YMRY. I was just thinking about avoiding the YMRY airspace on the weekend because it gets a bit busy. I wasn't sure about HCLs applicability if there is anything else, but down at 2500 and up at 1500 sounds reasonable, thanks for the advice. Sounds like just tune into 126.7 down and up. Thanks again guys, Cheers, Kevin