nickduncs84

Aviationtrader.com.au then click the kits/homebuilt link at the bottom

There is a kit zenith ch750 for sale in Bendigo. It's advertised for 30k which he probably won't get, but it is cheaper than what you would pay to get the same kit landed and probably close to the cheapest high wing 2 seat kit around. If 30k is still too much you may be able to get creative with it depending on the sellers story. He may want to fly but not have the time to build, so he may be open to exchanging a share for build time. It's a long shot, but you won't know until you call him. Or maybe you could find one or two others and buy and build the kit together...

After 6 months in our mooney syndicate, I can safely say that there is no way I would want to buy a used aircraft on my own. The purchase price is irrelevant. Hangar and insurance will add up to 1k a month and the annual will likely be 10k plus. That's a couple of grand a month before you've left the ground. The reality is that old birds do need a lot of work and on top of that there is a lot of bs work that had to be done on certified planes to keep casa happy.

So the mooney is good for me as I only have to cough up 1/5th of the cost, but when it comes time to owning my own seat outright, it will be either something Ra Aus or GA experimental. If I was after a 4 seater I'd be looking at an rv10. You'll have a much nicer, newer aircraft for about the same price.

Just my 2 cents. If you are in the know with what aviation costs or have plenty to spend, then ignore me as I'm sure this is useless info. But if you're new to aviation or aircraft ownership, I'd make sure you speak to people who own a 182 to get their feedback. Might be better posting on pprune, but you'll likely get a bunch of grumpy old buggers complaining that they have answered the same question before blah blah blah.

Blackshape prime. Used to be called Millenium Master

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Hi Nick,what are you flying?Enjoy the trip

1. Just aircraft superstol (most fun)

2. Pipistrel virus sw (fast and economical)

3. Jab 230 (cheap, comfortable, stable)

4. Vans rv8 or 4 (ramp appeal, taily, acro, fast)

5. Mooney 201 (fast, stable, economical...for GA)

Welp, made it Goulburn. Departed YMMB a but late so was going to need everything to go right to make YWOL by sunset. All was looking good with a 6000ft ceiling all the way to around Yass. From there it was down to 3500. As I approached Goulburn there were a few showers around, so the combination of all of that meant the only option was to spend the night in Goulburn. All in all a good day flying from Adelaide to Melbourne to Goulburn. First time into Moorabbin and generally good conditions.

Thommo was that your pacer by the tower in Moorabbin??

If you can do Albury then Tumut then Yass Township to Goulburn then its a pretty straight shot to YWOL from there and skirts around the Canberra airspace... i've done that in reverse (mostly) and it worked out well

You need to work out the best way for you as there is still a bit of ducking and weaving on the Victorian side. There is plenty of Tiger country on Victoria side if you totally avoid it your better off with Ayavner route which I just looked up the map and Ayavner route is better just not as scenic.

When are you heading back to YMMB

Hi, I use to live in Jindabyne and have flown to Mansfield, Corryong, Tumut and South Coast on various trips, the mountain crossings are not as bad as you might think, from Mansfield to Khancoban is clear and if you pick your route high enough you pass over several landing areas around Tom Grogin and swampy Plains once you pass threadbo with big car parks you can nearly glide to Jindabyne, (plenty of paddocks)which I done once to prove I could (almost) make it. Canberra is easy to fly around keeping outside control, I always called up to tell them I was going to stay out and transit and they gave me a Squawk code (transponder) anyway. The main thing to watch around mountains is wind and if it is windy stay well clear as this is a real learning curve that most underestimate.

Hi Everyone - I'm thinking of flying from Moorabin to Wollongong on Wednesday afternoon or Thursday morning. Does anyone local or with experience have any suggestions in terms of the best route? via Albury and Wagga seems to avoid a lot of the really high stuff and also avoids having to overfly class C in Canberra. Is there a better idea/option?

Yep. Been a problem since I've started using it. Not just on mini either... No idea why they haven't fixed it yet. Seems to be less of an issue if you select the apt when it's in the middle of the screen

The 3 spoilers are new, they are activated with the ailerons. tricky bit of technology

The spoilers are a new option as ft pointed out. There is a thread on the just aircraft wings forum with more info I believe.

Anyone who hasn't heard of a just aircraft super STOL, head over to YouTube and be prepared to waste an hour or so. Seriously fun plane!

Nev, I posted to put the other side of the argument. With pilots wanting all of the GA privileges for a rec price and training, the need for a base level organisation/branch is becoming more urgent. I built my aircraft from a kit, I carry a 20ltr jerry can on the front passenger seat when doing cross country flights, and have the means to pump that into my main tanks while in flight for extra length. I have a range of 4 hrs on my main tanks which gives me plenty of range for long cross country flight.s. As I said, one to Cameron corner, 14 hrs out, 12 hrs back via Griffith, Ivanhoe, Broken hill and Packsaddle as refuelling points. I was headed for Birdsville but the winds and the price of fuel out there was against me. I dont fly in weather that is uncomfortable as I do this for fun, not as a means of getting from A to B no matter what. The only restriction in distance is refuelling points and weather as in any other flight. So it takes a little longer so be it. The speed of the aircraft in no way limits the cross countries I can do. I have a flight plan to do Perth from Goulburn in the aircraft and it is doable. I can fly over Kosciusko, so height is not a problem either.I have 2 people capacity, The aircraft, with instruments and new motor cost me $27000 in the air (and that includes the cost of the pilots cert training). It doesnt have to cost a fortune.

OK, aircraft empty weight, 236kg, fuel 65kg.(85lts @ .72kg/ltr) Tie downs (ropes and short star pickets..2kg) On ,my own that leaves 187kg for me and my gear. (tent, sleeping bag, water, 20lts jerry can full of fuel etc. Where is the problem. 55kts, 20lts hr. Done cross countries all over NSW from YGLB. (Broken Hill, Camerton Corner, Armidale, etc.) Might take a bit longer but a lot more fun and the scenery is fantastic (this is recreational not bulk transport we are talking about.) That help??

I have a 2 seater, solid as, 490kg MTOW. Long cross country miles and paddock landings. On your reasoning, we should all have 172's with 582 motors. Remember, these are Ultralights, not medium lights or heavy lights. My undercarriage is spring and shock absorber designed for rough landings. I can carry 2 x 90kg people including fuel. Next problem?

For the record I have converted to GA and don't disagree with the premise of what you are saying, but unfortunately when there are thousands of members, all of whom are flying recreationally, whose to say your version of recreation is correct and theirs isn't?

Should run fine on an ipad mini with 3g. Oz runways can be quite buggy at times. Have you tried turning the ipad off and back on again? Also try doing a restore via iTunes and then reinstalling Oz runways... I've noticed the maps refreshing every few seconds since the new update. As I said, it's buggy, but the best thing to do is make sure iOs is the latest version, ozrunways is the latest version and then reset your ipad before each flight....

If these are the statistics we are putting the sword to Jabiru over I may have to switch teams. 1.27 for GA, yep safe as houses. 1.55 for rotax, yep she's safe. 1.98 for Ra Aus, sure why not. 2.63 for Jabiru..... URGENT ACTION REQUIRED! BAN THEM ALL!

That being said, the graphs do look mighty scary when the major units are 0.5/10,000 hours....

How about this for a solution for Jabiru. Create a new company called Flabiru. Make sure that the new Flabiru engine experiences failures at a rate of around 3/10,000 hours. Now 2.63 is looking pretty good! CASA bans Flabiru, and Jabiru go on their merry way.

2,000 replies in the other thread and I've just solved the whole issue. I think where we going wrong was assuming that because CASA were involved, the solution had to involve safety and logic. It's not about safety, it's about playing the game!

All societies are based on regulation and conservatism. That's why you don't kill your annoying neighbor and stop at red lights on the way to work, on time of course, listening to the controlled content on your radio. From the moment you wake up in the morning, and put clothes on by law, as to not offend others, you are following doctrines.The reward for following those doctrines is the reflection of the above, your neighbor doesn't kill you, others wait and allow you to cross your green light etc, etc.

 

I'm confused Nick, I do think Jab have some engine issues that have risked people's lives and may continue to do so, but you want me to help prevent the body responsible for doing something about it?

 

Serious question; What am I missing?

1) just because they are less reliable than rotax doesn't mean they they should be banned. They have their place.

2) there are plenty of things that can bring you unstuck when you get in a plane. If we're going to get obsessive about statistics, why not ban single engine ifr or night vfr flights for ppl without an ir? And then once that happens, why stop there? Turbines are more reliable than piston engines so why not ban all piston engines? And two turbines is better than one, so let's get rid of all those pc-12s...

3) I'm not sure to what extent Jabiru management contributed but from the outside looking in, for casa to publish this draft instrument out of the blue is ridiculous. There should have at least been a notice or request for comment without any proposed actions attached before destroying the value of thousands of aircraft and risking the livlihood of dozens of flight school owners.

I could think of more but I'm sure it's been said. Point is that I don't believe Jabiru have risked peoples lives to a point beyond which is acceptable to the people who fly in them.

Just my view, but I think that if the goal is public safety (ie not the safety of pilots who should be expected to understand the risks they are taking on) then there are a number of things which would be far more effective.

100% wrong. We live in a society together and we accept both the rewards and limitations of doing so.

In Australia, most people value their individual freedoms. So as far as most of us are concerned, it does annoy us when the government gets involved in our affairs to the point where it impacts our freedoms. Even the people on this site that are kicking and screaming about how dangerous Jabiru engines are.

The problem is that unfortunately most of us are self centred morons. It's just how us humans are wired. We don't give it much thought when governments do something stupid. That is until it affects us, then it's very important.

By any measure imaginable CASA are a deeply flawed organisation, but to most people it doesn't matter. All they see is that Qantas planes aren't falling out of the sky. The fact that they are killing an industry and destroying jobs for very little in the way of safety goes relatively unnoticed.

So even if you think Jabiru have a problem with their engines, sign the petition because of what this really represents. Another unjustified dig at recreational and general aviation.

The owners/operators my want to take that risk, but what about the innocent bystander who could get hurt or worse killed due to a Jab having an engine failure and crashing into a house or a park full of kids? If CASA took no action and this occurred it would certainly not end pretty for Jabiru, CASA and RAAus

I take your point jetjr, and it is a good one. However, when I go beyond the anecdotal and look at the data that is actually available, such as RAAus accident reports or CASA service difficulties, it does seem to back up the anecdotes.Data can be suspect too of course, and can be interpreted in different ways depending on your point of view. For instance I find it interesting how the apparently reliable figure of 1 engine failure in ~3000 has been immediately reduced to a percentage of 0.03% and therefore it seems a ridiculously small figure not worth worrying about. I didn't see it that way at all. Looked at a different way, given there are ~1100 Jab engines in Australia, therefore 1 in 3 takeoffs in all Jabiru aircraft in Australia will result in an engine failure. Doesn't sound as good as 0.03% does it?

 

Looked at another way, if a flying school does 60 movements per week (is that a reasonable figure?), they should be planning and budgeting for 1 engine failure per year.

There was a guy who burned his new Jeep on TV recently, and I have considered doing the same with a new Massey-Ferguson tractor. Yes we went down the legal path with the tractor ( including VCAT ) but it only wasted more time and thousands of dollars.In comparison, the Jabiru has been completely reliable and well-supported.

Anybody wanna buy a near-new 6400 series MF for half-price?