motzartmerv

lol...howfunny was that...omg...im in stitches

on a serious note...lucky it didnt end up in the front...

the guy certainly has a reputation...i never liked his plane...it felt "wonky" to me... alot of stick needed to keep her straight and level...sore arm when ya hop out sorta thing...but i do believe that if id let him continue the landing in the paddock, one or both of us wouldnt be around to talk about it today...too many big trees and to much of a tailwind..He reckoned he was gunna attempt a restart...but i KNOW he wasn't...he was settin up to go in...I reckon we woul;d have made the strip...or atleast got it into the paddock b4 the threshold..

oh no.was that the guy that had a couple of spitfires out west nsw??..what a tragic day for aussie flying..Prayers for the family..

lol:laugh:

High plains drifter..Have you seen this video??https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErgpJzcAS6s..i havn't seen ur home strip, but if theres runway left , turning wouldnt be my choice untill i had time to recover from an episode such as in the video..Far be it for me to offer advice however..i have only had my licence for 5 months..

Jaylo..Holy cow man..i knew he was a ratbag..but to do all those things you said..man, he's crazzed..im glad to hear ya plane is going well now..keep us posted about the prototype...

silly silly boy...she really sunk when the power went off didnt it...must have still been in a high angle of attack...

ANTZ..sorry to hear about ya moto prang..ive done some damage to meself on those beaties in the past too...good luck with the training ..U'll be up and into it after ya get ur pilot cert.. I too had a heap of setbacks in my training..started in qld, one instructor died in a plane wreck, the next instructor tried to kill me in a plane wreck...finally got it finished at camden 9 years after starting..so hang in there dude..you'll do it, once the bug bites ya, theres no turning back...lol...

all the best

Yes..there is a school at camden..Like i said about 3 post's up...and yes, you can fly out of camden in RA aircraft during the week..The cfi's name is David maddoch...the aircraft are a jabiru 4785 and jabiru LSI..both glass cockpit 160's..Do you guys read the previous post's b4 posting or what??...lol...;)..the prices are a bit higher then ya standard jab's..its 125 per hour solo, plus gst and a landing fee at yscn..

ANTZ..how can u have been flying out of hox for years and still thought yscn is controlled??Surely uve been close enuff to yscn to need to tune to there radio freq...lol...

Hi guys..I flew a drifter once when i was pre solo stage of attempt no 1 to get my licence..I have to say, it was an absolute blast..True minimmum flying but the aircraft seemed to have outstanding performance..IT seemed to climb like an f/18..I am seriously considering buying one.. I flew a thruster a few times but wasn't overly fussed on them..

*What is the normal climb rate 2 up in a 512 ?? was i imagining the awesome ROC?

* How easily do they trailer? i mean, can u fold them back and cart them around??

* How do they handle turbulance?

* Can they handle 3 poinets? or do u wheel them on?

Any answers to these questions would be greatly appreciated...

cheers guys

There is a school at camden you know...They have J160's with glass cockpit's.. The CFI is and old check and training officer from an airline...good people..about 25 bucks an hour dearer then the oak's but..But the training is guided towards the airlines, they just happen to do ultralights aswell...but very thourough training..

I don't know wather i agree about the wheelers being the go..I learned in a TG skyfox, and my instructor said, if you learn the wheeler you'll never try the 3 pointer, cause its just to hard comparetivly..I found that i needed to sit on a pillow so i could still see over the nose once i'd flared...but the go is, get her down to coffe table height and just try holding it there forever with the power off, as she sinks come back on the stick and bobs ya aunty..My opinion is to 3 point, touchdown speed is greatly reduced and as long as ya ontop of ya rudder, yas hould be sweet.

Yenn..r u serious??...was he trying to say it wasn't him??..did you hear his testimony?? what was the caper...i only heard through the vines..did the RAA take his licence off him...a pain in the butt is quite an understatement..i reckon he was plane crazzy..

Ok..thanx for the input guys..One point..in the pre takeoff brieff, which i religeously relate to passengers and to myself if solo, it says..In the very unlikely event of an engine failure on takeoff we will immediatly lower the nose to maintain airspeed and asses the situation..if sufficient room remains in front to land on the strip we will do so useing flap as required..if there isn't sufficent room we will land straight ahead or within 30 deg either side of the aircraft useing flap as required...WE WILL NOT ATTEMPT TO TURN BAK TO THE STRIP UNLESS WE HAVE 500 FT ( 800 INDICATED AT YSCN) AND ARE ON CROSSWIND LEG.. Now, im not sure if this was published with the poh of the jab, i think it was composed by a 767 check and training officer whom the school has dealings, but relates only to the jab..the partnavia and senecca2 have differnt takeoff brieffs..

How does an lsa compare to j160 flight stability wise?...i mean i converted from a skyfox into a j160 and i have to say, i don't like screamin over the fence at 70-75 knotts...and in turbulent conditions forget about it...have had some hairy bum landings in some chop...she seems to get thrown around alot...anyviews?

Yes, well it makes sence to keep all legs of the curcuit in glide range, but for the thruster to to reach 1000ft agl there wasnt a hope of gliding back from crosswind or downwind leg, this guy was taking us a good mile, ,mile 1/2 away from the field..in the jab i turn crosswind at 500ft agl, that puts the feild in reach from crosswind, and the turn onto downwind is made promptly after. Id rather be landing with a tailwind on the strip then landing headwind into a tree..thats just my opinion but ....

The following is a near accident i had a few years back when i was on attempt number 2 to get my licence..

I was doing curcuits with my instructor (who shall remain nameless) at thangool in qld. I had only just signed up with this guy who operated a thruster in a sort of travelling school..

The curcuits taught by this guy were quite un othadox to say the least, we would fly upwind untill 1000 feet before turning crosswind..Needless to say this made our curcuits quite long and could only manage about 3 in an hour...

Whislt taxing to the strip an RFDS kingair was loading in a sick passenger and prepairing to get underway.. We ligned up and took off..when we reached about 400 ft the RFDS kingair radioed and politely asked us to move out of the way so he could blast off..to which my instructor replied "i teach my students not to be pressured by aircraft in the curcuit to do anything." i s#$ t you not. I couldn'r believe my ears, i reminded him that the kingy was an RFDS plane, he said " doesn't matter whats painted on the side, they all have to follow traffic procedure". Shocked i continued my upwind leg ..it was on base leg of the very same curcuit that the 'incident' happend..We were experiancing quite a bit of lift from a thermal coming from a black soil paddock underneath us..I commented "its hard to get these ultralights to come down sometimes isn't it?"..The instructor then said, no its not and snapped the power off and nosed over in a steep dive..The airspeed climbed nearly to the red line and then the 582 stopped dead..i was in shock, i couldnt believe what was happening, in an apparent attempt to prove the student wrong, the instructor had just freaked the engine out and pulled a huge neggy..He became quite flusterd and started swearing over the intercom and turning to the right apparently to line up with the paddock below us, which mind you was full of trees and barbed wire fences..His flying became irratic and as he pulled bak to get a glide speed we nearly stalled.. at no time did he attempt to retart the engine ..he just kept fiddling with his harness, and ignored me..when were were at abpout 200 agl i had had enuff of this caper, the spot he'd apparently chosen to land was full of big trees and was downwind..without asking i reached over rammed the throttle foward and hit the engine start button, the 582 roared into life and and the thruster bucked nose up..luckily he caught the attitude b4 we stalled.. we climbed in a turn and lined up for an uneventfull landing ...when we stopped he got fair up me for touching the controls while he was in control and said that he was goung to attempt a restart once he got the sink under control..

well..the argument that insued was to rich in four letter words to post here, but lets just say that i was more then annoyed at his arrogance, and that was b4 the engine failed.. I asked why he chose to turn away from the strip, which he replied the tailwind gave us more distance over the ground...i asked him why he nosed the thing over in the first p[lace? to teach you a lesson he said..

Well, i dont know what the lesson was?? And i am 100% sure that he had no intention of trying a restart..He didnt even ask me if i was sacyre in my harness or anything, he was tottaly freaking out..

Anyway...i never flew with him again..I was sure these huge curcuits were just time soaking exercise..He ended up bing charged by police a few years later for missuse of an aeroplane by diving it at the house his astranged wife was staying...

Be carefull guys..choose your instructor wisely..

hehe..have fun cleaning the aeroplane after that tossing of the groceries..i think they were strapped in, but not very well...lots of loose articles floating around aswell...no hasssle check??

how rediculous..i just read the report..it contradicted itself..at first it said that 2 ultralight aircraft collided and later says the ga aircraft landed safely??..the report i saw on tv showed a c172 or something of the like...

Once again i wonder if it was an ultralight or a microlight??the media can't seem to destinguish between the 2.. the news report i saw showed a section of burnt out wreckage, it looked like the cockpit crash cage of a skyfox or something similar, although its difficult to say for sure..sad day for us either way..prayers for the family..

thanx for the reply..I kn ow the Jab should do 100kts...but 4785 doesn't do it..the only way to get 100kts is to set the throttle to about 2950 which burns around 20 l/h..and even then it only wants to do about 90 to 95 tas..I thought it may be a callibration problem with the glass pid, but the whizwheel confirms as does the backup ASI..its quite fruistrating..

thanx again

isn't it funny, the media seem to be quite credible untill they report on something that you yourself know a lot about..The local paper and the news reports said 'ultralight' crashes at albion park..The footage clearly showed a trike wing and the remnants of a trike body..I thought they were called microlights??Anyway, the media can't seem to get this 'ultralight' thing out of there heads, and its sad because it transfers directly to the community..I recently took a guy flying in the Jab, and while we were airbourne i asked him" so what do you think about ultralights?"...to which he replied.."ooohh stuff that man...u'll never get me up in one of those death traps"...lol...his face was priceless when i informed he he was sitting in one...lol...anyway...speedy recovery to the pilot...

be carefull

Bigglesworth..mate, im only new to this forum and i have to say im a bit perturbed at your ghusto with regards to flight testing your own aeroplane. Do you have much experiance flight testing other aircraft? Do you have experiance recovering unusal flight charictaristics such as ossilation and flutter?Your plane looks though it will have quite high enertia and low drag, therefor will be very slippery. Don't get me wrong, i admire your courage, but ive buried an exellent friend and even more exellent pilot because of bad judgment..please be carefull dude..

Hi there..Just signed up with this forum thisarvo..looks like a great place and a good bunch of people..I obtained my Licence(cert) in august and have since logged quite a few hours in a j160 flying mostly out of camden..I am on my way (hopefully) to a cpl. I intend to gain an ultral;ight instructor rating to help me with the hours needed..

I do have a question..Does anyone know of a school in or around the sydney area that hires out the new J230 model..Im planning a trip to Queensland soon and would like a few knotts extra speed for obvious reasons.. The school i hire from charges $126 p/h +gst for the 160 with glass cockpit.. The jab specs say it will cruise at 100kts, but have seldom got it to cruise at over 90kts, without overburning fuel and over revving the engine..

Any info would be greatly appreciated..

Anyway, hi again...

clearskies