petercoota

I've seen the term 'buyers premium', didn't realise the size of it. So my bargain Foxbat from Auction is maybe not such a good deal!

Thanks to everybody for the inside info....buyer beware indeed.

Thanks ONETRACK, for the explanation. helps a lot to know what's really going on.....

I spoke to them his afternoon. It sounded like 'make your best offer'. If the offer is not as high as their undisclosed reserve, they'll send it to auction in the second batch.

that's my interpretation, not what they said.

The first batch are being sold by 'Expressions of Interest'. Any that don't receive an offer that the Receiver likes, will then be added to the second batch offered for sale. 

I understand that the second batch will be an on line auction.

https://www.pickles.com.au/trucks/tenders/-/content/LIVE-026582/trucks

Does anyone have pictures of the electric trim assembly on a FK 14? 

I'm looking for any pictures, diagrams etc of the motor & spring assy, located under the floor pan, between the seats.

Thanks.....Peter

Sorry I haven't followed up, my aircraft has gone U/S so I haven't been able to do a side by side flight test.

The pics don't tell you much, 1997 is the nflight, 1999 Bose a20, 1995 both sets, 2002 nflight, 2003 Bose.

The nflight kit was very complete & well packaged, not a backyard job. The nflight is less bulky, but not a lot in it. I leave my headsets hanging in the aircraft, so bulk is not an issue. The nflight when attached to the headphones is a tight fit in the bag, rather fiddly.

It looks like a few months before I'm flying again, so you'll have to rely on comments by others. For me, I rarely have a passenger, a new Bose A20 is nearly $1800, this nflight setup, complete, including local bought headphone freight etc was under $800.

Sorry about the crappy pics, my iphone lens must have had a fingerprint on it. Let me know how you go...Peter

Bose QC35ii & nflightmic microphone assy arrived today. Assembled easily, certainly smaller & lighter than the Bose A20. I’ll take some side by side pics & take them flying in the next few days & post my thoughts.

Misunderstood you. Mine has only a single control.

That's a good idea, I'll have a look at the CONFIG setup & take a photo. I've taken photos of what I thought were important, like the TX, never thought of the radio....Peter

I have to admit to not knowing. It's a dual G3X with a GTR 200 radio, no separate intercom panel.

I'll look next time I'm at the aircraft......Peter

I've had a series of replies from Nflight about their attachable Mic setup.

They seem to favour the Bose 35 11 over the Bose 700 as the older model (the 35) is less bulky & has very similar ANR in a flying environment.

The Sony 1000 xm4 requires an adaptor, which they sell, but it adds to the overall bulk of the headset. They confirmed a comment that RFguy mentioned about adaptors that may not be wired correctly.

Another factor that hadn't been raised in this chat was the impact that auto squelch might have on different brands of headsets connected to the same system. I have a G3X system & nflightmic advice was that I should at least stick to the same brand as my existing headset (Bose A20).

When I checked prices, the Bose 35 11 is a lot cheaper than the newer Bose 700 & the Sony xm4.

So, for me the choice seems clear, I'm going to go with the NFlightMic PRO & a Bose 35 11.

They also mentioned that Downunder Pilot Shop is an agent for their gear 

I even recognise them. I only went as far as the 3M website. There were a lot of different industries listed, aviation wasn't included.

I remembered the name from years ago too. I looked them up, now a division of the 3M Company. They make headsets & noise protection gear for all sorts of industries, but not aviation anymore apparently.

RFguy, your project in the US explains your knowledge level on this subject. I'm hoping to have a reply from nflight tomorrow, I'll post their response.

RFGuy, a bit more info that I've found. The Bose QC 35 11 has been replaced by the Bose 700.

Load impedances are;

Bose 700        60 ohm ANR OFF, 455 ohm ANR ON

BOSE QC35    55 ohm ANR OFF, 465 ohm ANR ON

SONY xm4      16 ohm ANR OFF, 47 ohm ANR ON.

The Sony figures make sense when I reread your comments about modern chips driving low load impedance.

I'll be interested to hear your take on these numbers, also any reply I get from nflight & to hear further from SplitS about his views on ANR, Bose vs Sony vs anyone else.

Peter

RFguy, You've raised some interesting points. You'd assume that an outfit like nflight would have thought all these issues thru & perhaps they have.

To be sure, I've emailed nflight a list of questions, based on the issues you raised in your post. I'll post their response when I get one.

SplitS, I picked up on the different size plugs, 2.5 & 3.5, & saw that nflight sells an adaptor.

Thinking about this overnight, if I went with the Bose QC 35 11, that sort of contradicts the line of your original advice, that there are better solutions in the ANR world the Bose.

Now I've just read RFguy's further post which addresses one of my original questions about impedance mismatch. RFguy, my coms setup is via a 5 year old Garmin G3X touch panel, so I assume it would fit your definition of a new intercom. I also assume that the nflight NC mic is up to the job, you'd hope so, at that price.

My existing headset is a Bose A20, about three years old. If I went with the Bose QC 35 & nflight, this would eliminate the need for an adaptor & remove that potential problem from the mix. However, there is still the question that you raise about the 160 ohm (Bose A20) versus 32 ohm (Bose QC 35) load. I hope I've understood your post correctly about this.

Could you confirm that I now understand the potential problems correctly? If I do, can you see a way forward that minimises the risk of ending up with a lemon in actually use in the aircraft?

kgwilson, tonight's a night of surprise. First was SplitS post about the nflight, now you tell me Bose is Apple. Certainly explains the pricing. I've been an Apple user for 35 years, in earlier days, it was outstanding gear but expensive. These days it's just expensive.

But like many things in life, once you're into a system & have an investment in dollars & a huge investment in learning time, changing horses is very daunting.

SplitS, you've opened up a new world of possibilities to me. I've often wondered at the price difference of the A20 type to Bose passenger ANR prices.

The WH-1000XM3 has been replaced by the WH-1000XM4. Very similar, just upgraded from what I've read. Available  for $430AUD.

The nflight mic kit is around $560AUD delivered here (including a Sony adaptor). Still expensive but around $700 cheaper than the A20 with hopefully better performance.

The headset, mike & adaptor is $990 AUD plus some local delivery fee.

Another option is to buy the Bose QC35 11, if bought from nflight that package is $950 AUD delivered.

I live in the bush so I have no chance to visit a retailer to test anything. I have a set of A20's & am happy with them, so I'm inclined to take the Bose option.

Having said that, I'm of an age that was bought up believing that Sony was the only choice for quality sound gear, some forty years ago.

Have you observed any trend in popularity between Sony & Bose using the nflight kit?

Really appreciate you joining in with your thoughts, I had no idea this sort of solution existed.......Peter

Thanks, yet another thing to look out for! Now you've mentioned it I have heard of headset incompatibilities, never struck it myself, but I'm certainly alert to the possibility....Thanks

Hi, was there some sort of impedance mismatch? Do I understand correctly, that you could talk to the outside world OK, but not between other headset users?

Thanks, never any lack of strange sights at Avalon. Let's hope the interruption to the Avalon schedule gives the organisers pause to think about running it a cooler time of year.

I need a second headset for my LSA & can't afford two Bose!

Anyone had experience, good and bad, with Altronic Brand?

That's a good solution, using the RAM mount. It's hard to work out in the photo, is the RAM mount a suction mount onto the perspex? Leaving the ball on is also a good idea...

Thanks for the input.

 

The only question I have with systems like this, where the data is quite valuable, is what happens 4 or 5 years from now, if the company goes broke. COVID has shown us that ANY company, no matter how big or small, can be vulnerable.

 

I am not fore or against - just thinking out loud.

That's a fair question, a good reminder to keep paper copies of all reports & schedules so at least you can transfer 'up to date' records to a new, manual or computer system. One thing I didn't mention in my previous response, the system is web based, so you can log into it with any type of phone, tablet or desktop. The fees for the full system, from my foggy memory, were about $500 for initial setup & $22 per month. The amount of work Breezylog had to do to get my records up was really substantial, although it is a lot of $ they worked really hard for it.

Companies don't have to go broke to let down users, look at what Yahoo has done to the millions of people who were using Yahoo Groups.

Jerry A, that's a good point about ongoing support in the event of business failure & I'll ask them. I'm glad to hear that others, like you, are developing systems too. Having a number of competing systems will be good for users & should, over time, lift everybody's game.