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First ever fatalities recorded for the 787 Dreamliner, will be something simple that caused it most likely.

sure does look like the flaps are retracted and with the gear still down could it be as simple as wrong lever moved?

Or in-fact were the flaps and spoilers ever set prior to takeoff. (Looking at the cctv footage BrendAn put up)

Time will tell I guess, very sad for the victims and their families.

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

Remember the friends and relatives. No one KNOWs exactly what happened for certain.  Nev

True Nev,

But when you studied the ADSB data on flight radar you could see the see the ground speed data during flight and more so during the orbits as well as the altitude fluctuations.

It doesn’t take much to work out, a pleasure flight ended in tragedy for sure, no one intends on colliding with the ground when they take off.

And that’s not disrespecting the young pilot in this case.

I’ve flown hundreds of hours in that area and it can get quite nasty with NW, N and NE winds coming off the Great Dividing Range.

Only had the plane 2 weeks so would have been very unfamiliar with its handling and quirks aircraft have.

yes may have had 600 hours and was an instructor but still a test pilot in an unfamiliar aircraft IMO and flying at a low level and gusty conditions in fairly tight turns is not something I would have been doing.

58 minutes ago, kgwilson said:

Glad the pilot is not seriously hurt. Any large tree seems to be a magnet for crash landing aircraft. Even if there is only 1 tree in a paddock the aircraft will hit it.

Bit like motorcycles and cars, you look at the tree you head for it, it’s usually the way.

19 hours ago, turboplanner said:

There was no crisis with the major grid infrastructure resulting from these towers going down. 400,000 homes lost power when the hailstorms and wind hit. The Power companies advised the issue wasn't the towers; they were switching the grid to bypass them and the issue was the number of power lines brought down by trees and they would be carefully fixing these aeas one by one, on the grounds of safety. By about the end of the second day 300,000 were back on line, a couple of days later it was down to 12,000 then 3000, and then it got harder up in the Dandenongs where a lot of big trees had fallen over.  A bit similar to SA a few years ago and a long way off "catastrophic" although the word stuck with one newspaper reporting the storms to be catastrophic.

The government loves the word catastrophic as it scares the minions just like the deadly Covid conn did.

shame the (CoNvid) killed far less than their vaccine did.

its all about instilling fear in to people.

Damn when I was a kid we must have had hundreds of catastrophic days over the summers in my youth, we were just not scared back then because we had many days nearing 45 deg or more not 35.

On 16/2/2024 at 11:12 AM, sfGnome said:

Remember the floods last year? What was the main complaint afterwards? “We weren’t given enough warning. Nobody told us it was coming!”  Forecasters can’t win. They must get up every morning thinking “whatever I do today, 50% of the population will think I’m an idiot”.

And the other 50% will know they are idiots.

A Highlander STOL bush plane, a river, what could possibly go wrong?

Yeah I know don’t summarise but really?

Biggest issue we have here in aviation is everyone thinks it always happens to someone else.

Well someone’s surname changed instantly to someone else.

A very sad outcome for the families of the deceased.

Powerlines have killed many in the past and will continue to do so in the future unfortunately.

As in most pilots eyes it always happens to someone else.

This is a terrible loss to the family involved.

Well for 18 years I averaged over 100 hours each year, last year only 45, this year only .9.

My how times have changed for my flying.

On 19/4/2023 at 8:56 AM, kgwilson said:

I was driving and heard the interview with the pilot on the radio yesterday. When he said the trim pushed me nose first in to the ground (or words to that effect). I said out loud "absolute BS". He has made up a story to make it all seem plausible. There is no way in the world that the trim in a recreational aircraft is ever able to overpower a pilots input.

 

The original report is pretty right. Flying low to the ground doing a beat up of the film set & hit the power lines. It is that simple.

Your on to it KG,

Just missed the bit where a wheel caught the tree which pulled it down to the powerlines.

What some will do to blame everything else but themselves,

Wouldn’t of mattered if the kid had his xcountry endorsement, he would have pushed on like many do and ended up with the same result.

5 hours ago, Jabiru7252 said:

Forty years flying, can't think what LOC means. Yes I can, loss of control. Yep, looked like he flew that into the ground. Dumb ass.

 

7252,

Maybe Loss of Consciousness?

Topped out at 117.7 for the year just gone.

Time to start 2022’s tally tomorrow.

Fly safe everyone for the year ahead.

15 hours ago, horsefeathers said:

I must be missing something basic here. I've put over 500 hours on my Jab 160, with (I suppose, 6-700 landings, and I assume the same number of takeoffs), and it has been stable every time. I genuinely  don't understand the comments about the Jab. 

Now, to put that into context, I previously flew a Streak Shadow (you want to talk about understrength nosegear??) and when landing I would religiously keep the nosewheel off the deck till the last possible moment, at which point it would give a quick shake, and the straighten up.

But I have never seen behaviour as described in this thread with my Jab. And sheet, I've made my fair share of mistakes, but intrinsic problems with the Jab?  As Pauline Hanson would say, "Please Explain"

 

I admit that if you land with the nosegear first, you are in for a whole world of hurt. But that is the same for any tricycle aircraft.

 

I trained for my RAA in a 160 and learnt very quickly you have to keep the weight off the nose wheel for as long as possible when landing, I had one time early on in my training where I was trying to chase the yippy dance with the rudder to no avail, all was required was pull the stick back and the plane behaved very well.

I have seen many instances over the years a Jab dance just after touchdown, it’s not the planes fault.

23 hours ago, horsefeathers said:

What is the reasoning behind that? A weaker nosewheel? More sensitive geometry?

A more sensitive geometry alright, they do a yippy vippy dance real quick (160 that is) not sure on the 230 but I’m guessing so..

2 minutes ago, facthunter said:

Always keep the weight off the nosewheel with a Jabiru. Nev

Never a truer word spoken FH.

100 hours again this year, my average over the last 17 years is just over 104 a year, best year was 147 back in 2018, not bad for someone who doesn’t have weekday access due to the RAAF activation and can only fly weekends and when the RAAF shuts down for a month over Christmas.

Thank you red750 for the heading correction as I did notice it after I posted it and couldn’t figure out how to change it.

Much nicer.

20 minutes ago, facthunter said:

We usually have a fair trial before  we string them up..  Nev 

I’m not stringing anyone up, someone’s grounded, lucky guess by the police where to dig up out of all that vast mountainous area to search.

Saying human remains have been found in the search area.

Guess the accused is well and truly grounded now.

20 minutes ago, derekliston said:

Such a shame, he was a top bloke!

That he was derekliston, had the pleasure of meeting him once in person in 2013 whilst on a campervan road trip from Cairns to Brisbane.

Had many a phone conversation with him though over the years.

Hello fellow flyers,

6 years ago today we lost Ross Millard (AKA Maj Millard) in a preventable accident, thoughts are with Deb & Kelly on this day in time as is every year past on this day.

Blue sky’s and tailwinds Maj

Alf.

54 minutes ago, Jabiru7252 said:

I had to go around just after touch down in my Jab. Full flaps and the trim was full back, as expected. The tendency for the nose to pitch up is quite noticeable.

7252,

There was a fatal a few years back at Yarram in a J170 for that exact reason during his go around which was quite sad for not only the pilot but also for the people that saw it unfold.

Alf

34 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

I’ve had the same experience as 7252. The nose was coming up, I realised what I’d done and had to force the stick forward until I had enough height to raise the flaps a bit. A pilot caught unaware could easily get out of control.

Turbs, 

Yep a 172 with full flap was a handful back in my training days in the mid 80’s when you did a go around, quite a few lives have been lost with the seats either failing or not being locked in properly.

Takes a hell of a lot of effort when it pitches up.

Alf

48 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

Full flap on the CTSW is 40 degrees.

If you are coming in for a touch and go with 40 degrees flap, and forget to retract, then give it full throttle, will the nose head for the sky?

 

Turns,

My guess it will but that is why you have a control column or stick for, I was taught to tell the plane what you want to do and not have it dictate to you.