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And it continues to grow!!

Max was both a great pilot and a good people manager. He was a real stalwart of ag ops in Australia. Did my Ag2 with him in 1971, and held my breath a few times as Max put the C180 into some very 'iffy' ag strips around Wyangala Dam. Hazeltons had an ag operation which was ahead of its' time at Cudal. Night lit runway, most aggies NGT VFR rated, LAMES met all the returning ag aircraft - rectified anything required o/n, then had the aircraft daily'd, and running, when you were ready to leave at 1st light. Great training experiences there! happy days,

They help, but cannot prevent a ham-footed pilot creating a buffet in the cabin by flying out of balance. Never heard of the CO issue - but as I always fly with full fresh airflow directed towards me - probably avoided it. Have never heard of a CO detector card indicating the presence of CO in any Cessna cabin, ever. Might be an issue in cold climates where heaters are left on full chat all flight? BTW, CO is the bad stuff. CO2 is the good stuff that makes plants grow faster than Canberras' debt! cheers,

That would comprise less than 5% of C172's on the Australian register, happy days,

aha! But look at the hours flown for a better indication. happy days,

Sorry Dave, maybe I'm confused. I was talking about this type of moose stall.http://generalaviationnews.com/2013/06/30/beware-the-moose-spiral/ The classic low, slow, looking back in a turn.. In Alaska it happens so much while guys are looking at wildlife they named it a ' moose spiral. Or moose stall' What we call a 'mustering stall' is the same as the 'moose stall' It happens when the aircraft is turning steeply and slowly around a fixed point, (more often in wind), and where the pilot is asked to 'lift your wing' so that the pax or cameraman can see the target. In nil wind - it's easy to fly a constant angle-of-bank turn, and remain in position over the target. In a high wing, this keeps the target 'under' the wing, and provide the aob and balance remain constant - it's as safe as you can make it. However, once a pilot applies 'top' rudder to yaw the aircraft enough to lift the inside wing - then the IAS decreases rapidly, and if the aircraft stalls, it rolls 'up' and out of the turn into a spin. The nose drops alarmingly and recovery requires a lot of clear air! The opposite of the 'mustering' or 'moose' stall is where the rudder is applied excessively in a turn, causing the aircraft to stall in a 'skidding turn, then spin 'under' or into the turn. This is more likely where the pilot is trying to increase the rate of turn, (usually base-to-final). It can occur during low level ops but is far more likely if the aircraft is being manoeuvred around a point in winds of 15-30 kts and the pilot has not the skill to fly a varying angle-of-bank turn to keep the cameraman with a constant view of the target. If you are very low, the spin can't develop further than the nose dropping rapidly 'into' the turn. This doesn't always happen - it's entirely possible a pilot can just allow the nose to fall into a left hand turn as power is applied - and in a split second the aircraft impacts nose and left wingtip. Aircraft not stalled or spun - just 'uncontrolled descent' into the water. Low level manoeuvring around a ground target is incredibly dangerous unless the pilot can fly variable a-o-b turns in gusty, windy weather, and never have the stall warning squark once. It requires very good power and balance co-ordination, and is something which needs to be practised often. A 30 min session at 150-200 ft, x 60-70 KIAS doing 30-45 aob turns - in wind - is essential every 2 months or so. LL endorseed pilots still need to practise. The endo is not a skill that serves you longer than 6 months really.

If the aircraft has a 'door off approval' - then there is a constant,small degradation of performance - which is increased by any out-of-balance flying. In a lightly loaded C172, this isn't any particular concern. It's more usual to remove the window limit strut screw, and allow the RH window to float up against the bottom of the wing. At around 70KIAS, it holds up there quite steadily - allowing your photographer to shoot into clear air without any noticeable degradation in performance of the aircraft. Right hand turns are actually safer as the extra power which should be used in any slow, low level turn does not roll the aircraft into the turn - rather, it tends to roll it level. So the nose drop effect you encounter in a powered left turn is quite dangerous - but RH turns are 'safer'. These power effects are more marked with increased HP engines, eg, the 230HP in C182's. Pre-emptive power use and in balance flying are essentials for safer LL flight. You'll be taught these in any good course. happy days,

The Inter-Tropic Convergence Zone has truly huge storms. They can be just as bad in the morning as late in the day because they move offshore early am, so it's difficult to divert around them. The radar plots for the day of this accident show some very large cells over the Java Sea. Tops can exceed 60,000 ft in this region, so climbing is less an alternative than diverting around the cells. On 'Black Sunday' in 1943, the US 5th Air Force lost 38 aircraft in PNG as they had to fly through part of the ITCZ. A British RAF squadron lost 8/16 Spitfires flying through the same wx in Burma in around 1945. The ICTZ is a truly frightening monster and pilots earn their keep at this time of year in our North. happy days,

Yes, Certified aircraft have often been approved for over MTOW operations because the manufacturer has provided the regulator with hard numbers to establish the safety case. (probably not even available in LSA). Another example is what used to be called 'agricultural overload' which was a 15% increase over the normal category MTOW. It was widely applied to C180 aircraft spreading superphosphate fertiliser where the permitted ag overload was around 185 kgs. The C185 fitted with a Sorenson spraying kit plus underwing booms had an overload of around 220kgs if memory serves me. However, there's a lot more to flying the aircraft in 'overload' situations. Tyre pressures may need to be increased to the very top of their permitted range. You need every help to gain lift quickly - a good headwind, downslope too. These things you learn in ag work, and are trained for low level emergencies in heavily loaded aircraft. The RAAus PC has none of this training - which is a very good reason to not press your luck by overloading. happy days,

Bernie - many comments on here are made tongue-in-cheek by pilots with all different senses of humour. Don't take them too seriously - ask your instructor, or, better still, your CFI, to verify facts. The oft used throw-away line about keep loading until you can just close the doors is one which I was told by senior pilots back in 1963......... it's an industry wide quip. I did once use it inappropriately in 1982 - the year that BFR's were introduced for all GA pilots. I rocked up to a small country airport in my C182, and experienced my 1st BFR with a Jandakot based CFI. 'How much load can you fit into it?' was the question. Answer - 'until you can't close the doors - even more without the back seats'! He wasn't sure how to take it initially, but a grin plus a quick calculation and reference to the AFM charts saw a relieved composure return. happy days,

Photographic flights are really difficult to manage. The customer often doesn't inform the pilot of his requirements in a pre-flight briefing. So, the pilot is hit with orders to 'do this, do that' while in flight. Far better to sort these things out beforehand. Pilots need to be firm with photographers - saying 'no can do' is important if the pilot believes the requirement is either illegal, or is beyond the pilots' capabilities and qualifications. And, for very obvious reasons, the pilot should fly the aircraft and not become distracted by involvement with the actual mission activities. Pilots need to be very careful about taking on low level jobs if they are not at least 90 days current with flying PIC at 'real' LL. The risks are greater - the lower the pilots actual LL total experience too. None of the above may be relevant to the above accident, but it needs to be discussed because these accidents just keep on happening. RIP.

Bit unfair to RAAus editor, who is publishing what's written by contributor. Editor isn't the fun police either. If we need to vet every contributed article and edit out anything remotely near an infringement of a CASR/ CAR/CAO/ - then heaven help freedom of expression. Isn't this where the issue over Section 18 and the Bolt case becomes important? Readers should always be aware that there is a general disclaimer for content in every flying magazine - which you have 'accepted' by virtue of purchasing it. happy days,

One picture is worth a thousand words.

Getting to be a circular argument here. Where we started was with pilots complaining about the lack of available load in LSA. Many of the 'new' LSA's start off with a reasonably 'light' BEW - until new owner Joe Bloggs decides to install a parallel suite of analog gauges, 3 x GPS, 2x COMS, an ADF, 2 ELB's, a set of Alaskan tundra tyres so he can land on river sandbars, and a 5-axis autopilot to ease the workload on 2 hr flights. Then the load problems begin! We learned back in the 90's that if you wanted a faster RV - don't load it up with junk! Build it light. happy days,

Or, rent, buy, or borrow an aircraft with a huge range. Plenty of those in RAAus. You just need to shrink the crew somewhat to allow full tanks to be carried at under MTOW. Simple, really.

Almost certainly not. But then, you didn't crash 50nm short of Warburton Range did you? And how many 'officious bystanders' watched as you unloaded the empty 'special auxillary tanks' at Woop Woop International? Some times, you've gotta do what you've gotta do. My very 1st Chief Pilot explained this to me in 1965. " If you carry extra fuel, but are over MTOW - a ramp check will probably 'forgive' you, but if you run out of fuel over the Owen Stanleys - you'll go down as pilot error ". happy days,

It will be no surprise if yesterdays C172 crash in Tasmania turns out to be due to loss of control at low level. If it was flown under 'Aerial Work', ie a commercial operation, I'd suggest there's going to be some serious questions raised by CASA.

I'd be happier to see BEW plus MTOW. happy days,

This came up on a thread about 3 months back. With our non-aerobatic aircraft, Va = Vs x sq.rt of +LF max. So with LF = 3.8 and Vs =45, your Va = 88 KIAS. It seems there's a lot of confusion between Vno (bottom of yellow/top of green),and Va. It needs to be considered that Vb, (turbulence penetration speed),is lower than Va. Several sets of numbers that I've had quoted to me claim very high Va - 'because our aircraft is built strongly and so can be flown fast through rough air' Really? happy days,

It's an interesting exercise at the start of a BFR, to ask for the Basic Empty Weight of the aircraft. Then ask for all the 'additional' items to be taken out of the aircraft, eg, tiedown kit, hammer, tool kits, spare wheels, water, bottles of oil, first aid kit, nav bag, etc....ie,... anything that was not included in the BEW. A little bit of addition and we discover that the real BEW is often 25kgs more than noted in the aircrafts' POH. So - try that test for starters..... Then we have the case of what constitutes your personal 'weight'. Technically, it's your weight sans clothing, but mostly we allow you jocks. Then redress in your jeans, jacket, and boots and reweigh yourself. Result is usually another 2-4 kgs. So, for 2 persons, there's another 6-8 kg of purely personal clothing. Only after you've done the above checks does your Zero Fuel Weight have any accuracy. My experience says that there is often a 30-35 kg weight which is unaccounted for in pre-flight calculations. This doesn't make the 600 kg maximum weight unusable. Let's face it - most people are tending toward over their optimum weight, and it may well be that the only way to 'fit' into a 600 kg LSA aircraft is to slim down the crew weights. Over the last 2 years, I've reduced my weight by 9 kgs, (10%), by simply following the 1 or 2 days 'fasting' eating plan - (sometimes called the 5:2 or Mosely plan). Costs nothing and it really works. It's also helped me drop my BSL's by over 0.8 units. Google it if you are interested. happy days,

My experience is that a flight school is better to have a very simple structure. Include the landing fees, parking fees, any allocation for briefing plus GST into the end price. We don't even split 'supervised' solo from dual anymore. My guess is that one of the major contributors to the chargeout price is whether the aircraft is being financed. This can kill a school with low annual utilisation.

More to do with it being monsoon season and the entire region covered in some big Cb

The 1960's were very wet in WA, and Lake Dumbleyung, (east of Wagin/west of Lake Grace),was full and deep enough for speedboats. At 15:43 on the 31st December, 1964, Donald Campbell set a world water speed record of 448 km/hr in his Bluebird. He was later killed in an accident in Scotland, and posthumously knighted for his efforts on both land and water. There is a commemorative service and celebration of this event on the 31st December, (this week), and the Albany RV formation team will be making a flypast along the race route - exactly on the minute. Hope to post some pics here of the event. happy days,

What Relevance is the above Info to RAAus ? Sorry folks - should have included my take on this. There is a fast decreasing number of LL qualified instructors, (with training approvals), in GA. This Instrument will allow for younger GA instructors, including those holding FE/ATO approvals, to receive training from the older brigade not far from retirement. Now, in RAAus, it happens that an instructor doesn't need any special training approval, so once they have a low level endorsement - they can train, test and check any RAAus pilot on LL ops. As I see it, CASA isn't likely to allow this difference to exist for much longer. The risks are exactly the same - GA or RAAus. I've long held that all instructors should be LL qualified - otherwise how can you effectively train in forced landings, precautionary search & landing, low level circuits and low level navigation? Because there are likely to be many less LL 'training' qualified instructors moving out of GA into RAAus, it's likely that there will be less RAAus instructors able to teach LL in years to come. Time for some upskilling in our ranks? happy days,