youngster Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 I was having a gander at the GA part of Coffs Airport yesterday with my boys (1 and 3 years old, so they love planes!), and had to stop and drool over a PC-12 on the GA apron. The pilot taxied to the short runway (one-zero, 849m), backed up as far as he could, held the brakes on for as long as he could, and then took what seemed to be the whole runway to get airborne. The wind was not strong. Coffs has a 2000m long, 45m wide grooved main runway. Why would you take a chance on the short runway when the long one is available? Any thoughts on why you would make such a decision? It's only an extra 1 min taxi, and there was very little traffic, being a Sunday afternoon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howard Hughes Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 I ask if you can do it, why would you not? It helps to keep your skills up! I often take the Kingair into 2-8 and out of 1-0 at Coffs, sadly the B350 is unable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andys@coffs Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Is it runway length thats the limitation or western terain? I would have thought you could land 28 with a few ft to spare providing you put the dunlops on the deck at or before the piano keys. (No pressure now!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngster Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 I know nothing about such things, so I'm not criticising. Just wondering! It was kind of cool to sit behind it and feel the prop wash, even from 20m away. My wife thought it was a gust of wind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 A twin is either legal or it isn't. Could be based on accelerate -stop or single engine climb performance. A single is a bit different . It's engine out performance is worse.( ha ha) but you could use the runway infront of you to advantage so why not do it. You make your own luck. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 From memory a PC12 only needs about 500mtrs ground roll for take off? I know the ones that come into the farm strip are off the ground at about the same place a loaded 172 is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushcaddy105 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 The pilot wasn't trying! Port Pirie has Flying Doctor PC12's coming and going most days, and they certainly don't need anywhere near this distance. Runway 03/21 is 672 metres long, crossing the main bitumen 08/26 approx 300 metres from the threshold of 21. I have seen them take off on 21 and be airborne by the bitumen, and land on 21 and be taxi-ing for the approx 120 degree turn onto the taxiway to the parking apron which joins both runways. Today I watched a take-off on 26, with 20+ knots crosswind from the North, and it was well airborne by the western taxiway, approx 400 metres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 There MUST be a lot of variation of AUW. ( fuel cargo etc) Most planes have an empty weight to max AUW of about1/2 or better. It's not going to go the same every time. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howard Hughes Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Is it runway length thats the limitation or western terain? I would have thought you could land 28 with a few ft to spare providing you put the dunlops on the deck at or before the piano keys. (No pressure now!!) 10/28 is too narrow for the B350 and the balance field requirement kills it for take off anyway. Shame, it's always good fun in the B200! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadInTheClouds Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 I ask if you can do it, why would you not? It helps to keep your skills up!I often take the Kingair into 2-8 and out of 1-0 at Coffs, sadly the B350 is unable! And why have you never done this when I've been there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guernsey Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 And why have you never done this when I've been there! He probably has but you weren't looking....possibly had your 'Head in the Clouds' Alan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barefootpilot Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 The only problem and dangar for using the short runway is an EFATO. If he used the long runway he could have landed straight ahead on the remaining runway until he was high enough for a turn back where as off the short runway he would be swimming until he is at about 700'. 849m is heaps for the PC12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howard Hughes Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Off the short runway he/she only has a 110 degree turn to the LONG runway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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