John Brandon Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 For those who are interested in the physics and characteristics of single-blade, folding propellers I suggest you view Dafydd LLewellyn's research project at http://flysafe.raa.asn.au/groundschool/blanik.html 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpacro Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 An 8,000 flight hour fatigue life extension too - that should suffice for a long and happy retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz3g Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I did more chemistry and biology in earlier years than physics or maths, and this is really beyond me, but thank you for making an enjoyable read an almost understandable one for an old fart like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarly Gnu Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 OK I'll bite, I get the efficient aspect.... but why am I not seeing single blade propellers in use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dafydd Llewellyn Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 OK I'll bite, I get the efficient aspect.... but why am I not seeing single blade propellers in use? Because they look "wrong", I think. They're a bit heavier than an equivalent 2-blade, also. However, if you need to get rid of the propeller drag, as in a motor-glider, the alternative is a featherable Hoffman - and that costs about $ 15K AND you have to ship it back the Germany for overhaul every two years or so, AND it's not that light. I was after a vastly less costly solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarly Gnu Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Ah, OK Dafyyd... must admit I just skimmed the article, must read it through. So it can be feathered. And the need for it to be folding...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dafydd Llewellyn Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Ah, OK Dafyyd... must admit I just skimmed the article, must read it through. So it can be feathered. And the need for it to be folding...? No, it's fixed-pitch. it folds instead of being feathered, not as well as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guernsey Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 If it is a wooden single blade prop then moisture can affect the balance unless it is well coated with a waterproof top coat. Alan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dafydd Llewellyn Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 If it is a wooden single blade prop then moisture can affect the balance unless it is well coated with a waterproof top coat.Alan. Yes. Polyurethane is best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keenaviator Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 I had a nice folding prop on a power harness for hang gliding. Made by Bolly. 15 hp. Laurie Ps the harness was an 'Explorer' made by Bob Bauer in QLD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ozzie Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 The single blade is fitted to a Solo engine on a Silent Glider in Italy. Doesn't fold but lines itself up and the pylon retracts into the fuselage. The folding two blade system could be used on a single blade. just a big spring to fold the blade back when it stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dafydd Llewellyn Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Yes, there are a number of variations on the theme around. Single-bladers seem to be used mostly on retracting engine types, to minimise the size of the cut-out needed in the fuselage. Two-bladers are of course common on rubber-band powered model aircraft; I built one as a child. The novelty lies not so much in the single-blade propeller, as in the form of engine mounting necessary to allow it to self-balance for the blade drag that acts in the plane of rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Gotta be a crook idea in principle. You have a bending moment on the crank and also the blade drag you mentioned with will offset the crankshaft axis as it rotates. You engine mounts will be working overtime. You wouldn't get much sediment in the carb bowl(s) Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dafydd Llewellyn Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Gotta be a crook idea in principle. You have a bending moment on the crank and also the blade drag you mentioned with will offset the crankshaft axis as it rotates. You engine mounts will be working overtime. You wouldn't get much sediment in the carb bowl(s) Nev No, Nev - If you read the description to which John Brandon provided the link, there's no bending moment on the crank - or more precisely, the gearbox output shaft - because the blade/counterweight assembly is hinged there. A hinge won't tranfer a bending moment; that's what it's for, after all. There is neither a bending moment due to the thrust being from a single blade, nor from propeller "P" effect, nor from gyroscopic loads. The gearbox output shaft has a holiday compared to the normal setup. The blade drag force causes a run-out of about 4 mm at the propeller hub - i.e. the propeller runs about 2 mm offset, because that amount of offset generates a centrifugal load that balances the in-plane force on the blade; and yes, the engine mount has to be designed for that, which means the normal method of four rubber blocks on the four bolts at the bottom of the crankcase is quite unsuitable. It won't trouble the carburettor because it won't be mounted on the engine; I'm going to use a CD carbie (Bing type 64) mounted on the pylon structure, underneath the engine and feeding the rotary valve via a Y-branch that is flexible connected at both ends; the motion on the rubbers is no worse than for the usual cantilever mounting. The Rotax 2-cylinder engines throw their propellers around in a circle anyway, due to the residual out-of-balance of the two cylinders; but because the engine RPM is so high, the amplitude is small. I learned that back in the -80s with a redrive I designed for a Blanik 532 installation that had a heavy MT electric-feathering prop. on it (26 lbs). It showed up as heavy fretting wear on the redrive output shaft under the outboard bearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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