pudestcon

When someone works out how to login to the maintainers section, please let me know.

 

I really don't know why they have to make it so hard......

 

Pud

 

 

Put a jerry can of fuel in the cargo dept of the Thruster and come over to Bindoon (Home of the dedicated Bushfly) and we'll get 'Gary God' to go up with you in 3658 for a few laps of T & G's. Having mastered the T-500, I doubt now that a LightWing could serve you up any serious grief. Besides, being such tough little buggers, they sneer at bouncy arrivals.cheers Riley

Yep, good idea.

 

Just gotta find the time, and weather, to do it.

 

Might drive on up to Bindoon one weekend and see how ya going.

 

Pud

 

 

Sorry Riley, not able to talk Lightwings with you.

 

I did a few hours instruction in one - think it's the one you own actually, but couldn't land the bloody thing.

 

After being reasonably competent in a Thruster now, I often wonder how I'd go in the Lightwing. I might try one out one day if I can find an instructor who's game:cheezy grin:

 

Pud

 

 

Is a Thruster worthwhile looking at purchasing for someone who is new to flying? Or do you recommend anything else.

Go for it Bugsy.

 

I purchased a T500 a few years ago now(see the thread on my restoration project in the 'Thruster' section), and I'm still a low time pilot now, at 61 years of age!

 

It took me a while to master the Thruster with the landings being the hardest - if you ever master them. Ya gotta be dancing on the pedals until you have slowed to walking pace.

 

A great fun aircraft that you will enjoy every time you fly - just don't expect to go far quickly(55knots cruise at best), and the comfort leaves a lot to be desired as well. 2 hours absolute maximum in the seat for me at any one time.

 

I've never regretted acquiring my Thruster, although I did question myself a few times!!!

 

Pud

 

 

Good point, what's the alternative?

Centre of the firewall - drop your plumb bob

Pud

 

 

Congratulations Ross,

 

All the best with your board position, and I know you will be doing your darndest to get things done.

 

Just keep your humour huh!!!

 

Pud

 

 

I always prefer a beaver.

I wondered how long it would take:smile:

 

Pud

 

 

This one, and the one under the spinner, operate out of Victoria(capital of British Columbia) on Vancouver Island.

 

Took the photo of refuelling after our sightseeing flight. Great stuff, but I would have preferred a Beaver.

 

Pud

 

 

 

Yes, one of the few without the turbine conversion. They are big aren't they and they lift off with 13 bums at 55 knots with the Kero burner.

Something like this then David?

Pud

 

 

I used stick on dacron (stickyback) from Wayne Fisher, already cut to shape. I wanted a different colour so painted them with a spray on paint from a spray can - I think Wayne said would be ok when I asked him. Also did a couple of numbers sprayed directly onto the dacron.

 

Both methods have been in place over 2 years now without any adverse effects. I do notice the stick on numbers are lifting just a little in a couple of places, but nowhere near looking like coming off.

 

Pud

 

 

Hmmm, wonder what other areas have frequency changes?

 

Pud

 

 

I always knew you were a top shelf sort of guy Maj

 

I also have just been to the optometrists - Frames $369, Lenses $350, then with discounts and private health payment my out of pocket expense is $350.

 

So not too bad, although not Ray Bans

 

Pud

 

 

They take me money every 12 months(just done it tonight actually) and I get to go flying for another year.

 

Simple really.

 

Pud

 

 

Thanks Pud. I know who you mean and contacted them last week for a quote. The other quote came from a business at Jandakot. I thought that $13.2k for a simple paint scheme was a bit over the top, but the Northam guys may not be much cheaper.rgmwa

Some time back the guy doing the painting was painting an aircraft in his spare time on the weekend. I got the impression it was not as part of the business there, but using the facility. The guy did work for the company, but I'm not sure what the deal was.

Ask some questions on the airfield might deliver a good result for you.

 

Pud

 

 

I've just been quoted $12,000 plus GST for a basic white plus 2 colour trim scheme on an RV. Anybody know anyone in WA who knows how to paint aircraft and might be less expensive?rgmwa

I know there is a business situated at the Northam Airfield who paint aircraft.

Pud

 

 

Its a bloody cluster #%&ck isnt it. All this insurance talk. As aviators we accept a risk everytime we fly. Simple! Either we like it or not! I would say that as long as the thruster gets in and out, then I'm in. Waivers dont work, just ask the Essendon FC. You cannot cover every situation that might arise, nor should you have to. Nobody should be expecting anything other than what it is. A farm strip. We take responsibility to accept the risk of flying and everything that goes along with it that we choose to encounter, so this should not be any different. You will never be able to cater for the idiots and the inexperienced either. Its a sad state of affairs isn't it! I cant make the decision for you, except to say, try and keep these fly ins alive. I just wish we had more of these is Vic. Just my two bobs worth anyway!

Yeh, my thoughts exactly. Whatever became of responsibility for oneself? This stuff is certainly killing off such events I reckon, and mores the pity, as they foster good will amongst people of like minds - In this case flying.

 

I am off this evening for 3 weeks in Canada and Alaska, so I'll look forward to all the posts when we return.

 

Cheers,

 

Pud

 

 

The discussion in the thread about taking your mate for a fly, and minimising the risk when someone flys in to your property has me and my mate wondering.

 

The situation we have at the moment is that a group of airmen from a WA club are thinking about flying in to our private farm air strip - I say 'our' but really, the farm is owned by my friend. Now we would like for the fliers to be able to land at the airfield we have, stay overnight, and leave when they are ready the next day. It would be really nice if the onus remained with the PIC as to whether he landed or not, and no responsibility rested with the land owner. In other words, the landowner takes all care( he flys his Thruster from the strip), but has no responsibility(may not be suitable for another type of aircraft) to decide if another aircraft can land(and take off) there, or not.

 

So, my question - What would you do? Give consent to land, or not. Get the airmen to sign a waiver. Take out insurance. Or provide all information for the airmen to make a personal decision to make the flight and land at the strip, whilst taking no responsibility. Or can the whole thing.

 

Pud

 

 

...Geese Pud!..... Is there another one....... ?????Frank:wave:

Nah Frank, there is only one reality and your living it!

There is no way I am going to burst your bubble in paradise.

 

Cheers,

 

Pud

 

 

You might be reduced to considering a "generic" solution in the absence of specific figures. I thought the Tony Hayes thing was taken over by someone...... Daffyd Llewellin? Nev

Bob Llewellin, but that's a brick wall.

Pud

 

 

On further digging through the documentation I have, I have found in the Tony Hayes (may he RIP) publication "Thruster Two Seater Identification Guide For Owners and Inspectors Second Edition 2003", some information on washout. I offer this as information only as it does not specifically relate to single seat Thrusters, such as the T85SG that the OP here, Tony, is rebuilding.

 

On page 42 under the section GEMINI SPECIFIC TECHNICAL INFORMATION, Pitch Instability Contributing Factors, 5. Changed Wing Wash-out. I quote "The Thruster wing has neutral wash-out when static(i.e. the under surface of the wing root and wing tip should be at the same angle). However wash-out is built into the wing support design and is adopted when under flight loads." end of quote. The section goes on to explain that changing the lengths of rear lift struts, and incorrectly tensioned flying and brace wires can deform the wing from prime design under flight loads. No mention is made about degrees of wash-out or other specific measurements.

 

This information doesn't bring Tony any closer to the answer he seeks, but is extra information on washout design on the Thrusters.

 

Perhaps contacting Kay Hayes, Tony's wife, may uncover some specific documentation on this.

 

Pud

 

 

Hang on guys, we are talking about Thrusters here. Low performance grass roots flyers, not high end. The OP wants some answers on washout on his Thruster - can we help him?

 

Pud

 

 

Hi Guys,I am nearly completing restoration of my Thruster 85SG 'clipped wing' 25'6''.

I am looking for answer to the question: How is washout achieved on Thruster wing ?

 

More specifically, is there any structural washout, if yes, what is the value to change the angle of the incidence on the tips.

 

Thanks in advance to your inputs.

 

Tony

I'm far from being any sort of a person whose opinion you should value, but to my knowledge there is no washout on Thruster wings.

Certainly, my T500(yes I know its not a 85SG) does not have washout.

 

Pud.

 

 

jeez Farri, 200 metres is a bit far to walk.Cant you move the house closer to the hangar...

I've seen him drive it a few times. plus he has another strip alongside the house, and I've seen him fly the drifter from the far strip to the house strip to pick something up!!!

Farri lives in his own world, and a great world it is too

 

Pud

 

 

Its worse than that. Its for the rich and old. For young people flying an aircraft is as interesting as driving a bus.

I've thought along those lines for a while now Exadios - about young people that is. Young people have many other things that generate there interest and adventurous spirit - even if it is in the virtual world. Team that with the cost of aviation and you can see why its a big turn off. I believe GA(recreational) and RAA is dying, if you talk about raw numbers of new pilots to the sector - no facts, just a gut feel. Don't see that in the future there will be the need for too much in recreational aviation, and not much incentive for the young to make a career of being a pilot, given the move towards pilotless aircraft. So it is an old persons pastime, and does require a fair amount of cash. What will be left when us old fogies die off? Nearly empty skies and the few old(young now like Hongie) pilots left to dream about the good ol'days back in 2013.

Pud

 

 

Thanks Lior.

 

I fly a Thruster so was interested in your version of "the Thrusters long lost beautiful sister". It doesn't have a tail wheel so you've lost me.

 

An interesting aircraft all the same.

 

Pud