Keith Page

How can anyone work out from this forum, how many are satisfied or dissatisfied with RAAus. Here we have only a small sample and those are also the vocal few. I believe I am the only member from my airstrip who comments here, but there are 8 others from whom you never hear.

I would like to know the views of those who flick by the posts and have a read and move on, to me that will be a better poll.

Oscar comes to mind he is not in the voting as he is not a member of RAAus.

KP.

As a CFI I was told a student who did not yet have a pilot certificate has to do any solo flying in an aircraft the same as they had done their dual training in. And that it was not negotiable.For those who don't believe me ring the OPS manager.

 

I find it astonishing that no one seems to know this.

One can do a great number of hours with a certificate and no cross country endorsement. (Cross Country is an endorsement.)

One can not sit for a cross country endorsement until they gone solo and have gained their pilot certificate.

KP.

Wrong, solo flying as a student has to be in the same plane as you trained in.

KP

Of course you can fly it Barry as it is the same aircraft type . The only difference is whether it has numbers or letters for registration.Can you fly it legally, of course not. So don’t get caught.

Is relevant in this situation.

KP

Bull I think if you have a full read of the financial report that a lot of your questions would be answered, pay special attention to the explanatory notes that are throughout it as they do explain a lot of the why’s.

Could be called, "Fibbing by way of exaggeration".

KP

Oh dear, now you've gone and spoiled the New Year already for our Federal Treasurer!

If that is all good I would hate to see the activities if things are bad.

KP

2017 figures related to post #207Assets, Cash - $658,071.00

 

Assets Building - $896,285.00

 

Total - $1,554,356.00 vs expected $4,114,110.00

Hello Oscar.

Here is a reply to your post #152.

I have no need to go and track what has happened because I had been politely looking about (getting a good grasp) during the development stages of these fiascos that is when the fiascos were developing legs. I am suggesting every one go and have a look about and be careful of what one takes on board as gospel.

There is a lot of guff out there and we are expected to believe it, but have a look and it will not fit.

I will not be sharing my knowledge just imagine how it will be manipulated this forum is a good example, I have tried a couple of times and been ostracised. No more find it for your selves.

A good example:- Turbo had a look about look what he has found. What is the 2017 figures?

Go back to my post #132 (i) Jab engine (ii) The lobby work (iii)The flying schools/China. See what can be gleaned. I will not share my knowledge.

Oscar that link in your post #152, have you put any consideration, could it be a Dorothy Dixer?

How would ELAAA handle the Jabiru Engine issue? Nothing like RAAus that is for sure. I know one thing it would not have gone so public.

To help the forumites with the Jab issue - go and look at the You Tube Senate Equirey of Barry O'Sullivan taking Skidmore to task, and it is quite obvious that he has not been briefed correctly about the issue, his advisors had lied to him by fact of omission. Barry knows what went on but getting people to admit is another matter.

See when he was given the wrong information the line he used regularly. The burden of the question is ................ .

KP

I have to say I got frustrated that the tone hadn't changed in this thread, and looked the information up myself.This is for the 2016 financial year.

 

Printing, Publication & Merchandise - $326,890.00 vs. $367,811.00 in 2012

 

Assets, Cash - $919,429.00

 

Assets Building - $896,285.00

 

Total - $2,192,570.00 vs expected $3,809,360.00

 

Other items which caught my eye:

 

Total Comprehensive deficit $227,535.00

 

Accommodation, meetings, travel $155,213.00 (up from $96,646.00)

 

Advertising, & Promotions $22,484.00

Deficit $227,535 that was 2016 just wonder what 2017 must be worse - governing by the silenced and the defending.

The interesting one is accommodation, meetings, travel $155,213 up from $96,646. Wonder what the surprise for 2017 will be.

KP

Keith - I did see your now-deleted comment, and I certainly was in no way offended by it, nor would have taken umbrage at all! However, site rules are site rules...I am, though somewhat deflated in my hopes that you would outline how ELAAA would have handled the Jab. engine issue. Here was an opportunity for you to lead by example in the search for transparency in the operation of any administrative body responsible for recreational aviation, that you reject. That is, of course, entirely your right to do, no one can force it upon you, but I do think you have rather tossed away the moral high ground on this one...

re. Jab Engine. Just imagine how these bush barristers will dissect the handling protocol. So do not put contentious material out in public.

KP.

Keith, Doesn't RAA or ELAAA or GFA have to abide by casa rules and audits?

CASA is a bit out of control because of the diligences of the transport minister, see what Barnaby will do. The last minister was more interested where they were going to eat that night.

CASA can do audits. There is another I am working on -- how ICAO audits work. CASA gets a visit from ICAO sanctioned ladies and gentlemen occasionally.

CASA had an audit performed by ICAO end of last year have not heard any results.

Have a look at this link will help with some aviation information.

Assistance to the Aviation Industry

KP

The bottom line is.... Either please casa or stop flying. They always hold the trump card no matter if we fly under RAA or GA a new lighty mob. The same problems will arise with an 'new' organisation. Either do it casa way or go home.Our casa seems to have also screwed GFA (in my opinion), I've given up gliding because now it costs me more to fly a glider for an hour than a drifter. So in the light of that, RAA not so bad!

CASA is in a position to oversee all things aviation in Australia. CASA is not the manager.

The government of the day is the manager of aviation activities looks very much that the government is not doing its duty.

Look at what is happening with the ministerial positions they are at sixs and sevens, so if that is the case problem starts at the top.

KP

Gee Keith, I thought CASA were good at using a lot of words to say very little but you are far better than them at that.

KP

So nothing else has affected the cost rise?You are dreaming if you believe that Bull. Convenient though it may be I still think it isn't that simple.

Not sure of the exact figures wasn't there a surplus funds sitting in investment funds, I think it is all nearly gone.

KP

The impenetrable suggestion that RAA somehow 'conspired' to exacerbate the Jabiru situation ( if indeed that is WHAT is being suggested; I find it hard to determine what has been suggested, in the dogged resistance to providing any sort of 'evidence', or even a hint, of 'facts') is a load of hogwash.A general indication of the efforts RAA made to try to get CASA to listen to sense, is contained in the following: https://www.raa.asn.au/storage/response-to-dr-aleck-june-2016-jabiru-instrument.pdf. That is a very considered and careful letter; earier responses by RAA, in particular by Michael Moncke, were considerably stronger in their denunciation of the CASA action. They are discoverable.

 

Those who tend to place any credence in KP's uttering, should perhaps avail themselves of the opportunity to seek a response from Jabiru regarding whether it feels it was in any way 'let down' by RAA action. If in doubt, it is always a good idea to seek out the information from a reputable source, and Jabiru management (Rod Stiff or Sue Woods) would fall into that category.

 

In the interests of further information, KP should provide us all with a detailed explanation of what action his organisation would have taken in the situation that RAA was placed? It is not justified to simply throw out accusations of 'not good enough', without at least providing an outline of what WOULD have been good enough. There can be no possible legal consequences of expressing one's own view of what was required, and that would at least present to us a picture of the proficiency and realistic understanding of what we could expect from ELAAA.

 

Over to you, Keith, to lay your cards on the table.

KP.

Maybe the RAAus just doesn't have the power to do things cheaply. I think it needs dedicated staff at head office to keep feeding CASA with answers to questions.One day, after flying my plane for about ten years, my registration renewal was refused because there was only one photo of the fuselage numbers in some filing cabinet in Canberra. The cause of this was a CASA audit, not anything the RAAus did. So how about the theory that they are trying to keep costs down, but it is CASA that determines the costs ?

I think most CASA staff come from an organization where there is unlimited funding and unlimited time and no real work to do while waiting for WW3.

I have the same problem I know your pain Bruce.

KP.

Keith, can you, in plain English, with no riddles, winks or nudges tell us what RAAus did that was so bad in relation to Jabiru, tell us what we should be shocked about in relation to the RAAus restructure and tell us how RAAUs should have been involve in training Chinese airline pilots?If you've got no facts or are not prepared to present them perhaps silence would be a smarter option.

If ever I am put before a court of law I will be able answer and expand on all, the information is not flimsy. If ever that happens that day I will not be operating with riddles, winks, nudges - will be facts.

Just imagine if some of those facts got on this forum the mind boggles as to where that information will end up and of course the twisting.

As Turbo said it is mostly out there only needs researching.

I resent the remark "silence is the smarter option" there are those here who can put the jig saw together without having it all spelt out to them.

(I have facts and they are not being shared on an open forum)

KP.

Oh! What a noise I have generated by just mentioning "watch out".

SDQDI you are very sensitive as when I mentioned the "watch out" you go straight into saying ELAAA is in self promotion I hasten to inform you,

"Your suspicions are incorrect" It will be nothing more pleasing for me to see aviation grow in Australia. That is my aim and we do not want it pulled down with regulation and self promotion.

Your comments to me are a good example of:- Listening to comment not to understand.

SDQDI please educate me, How do you want me to convey, "Watch out"? It is obvious in your eyes I am doing it wrong. Over to you now.

I was very interested here Turbo mention - few are lazy and not go for a look. Yes all is out there -- not quite -- there is some info held back by the quiet minority.

There are quiet a number people on this forum who are up to speed of what is going on, and they are just watching.

The big problem is self promotion and egos.

For some research delve into those three points I put into a reply to Geoff. Do not be happy with one answer get a cross section of views and from many areas.

I am encouraged to see some people on this forum are thinking about the situation and not go into the ELAAA "Self promotion mode".

For a bit of enlightenment go back to some things what Rod Birrell was mentioning before the vote for change.

Any of them fit now?

KP.

Every now and then someone pops in hear drop a grenade, hints of better things to come, stirs the pot then pisses off.Still no better things to come and to be quite honest I still get to go flying every weekend under the current system.

One must wonder what his agenda really is?

However have you looked into the truth behind the Jabiru issue? When you have time go and get your angle on the manoeuvring.

The big one ---- the lobbying to get enough votes to change the structure of RAAus to a company from what we knew. Delve about and get that information you will be shocked.

What about the China flying schools? RAAus had the opportunity to have some of that business but egos got in the way.

There are three for you to contemplate, Geoff. Just a disgrace more members are not told.

I try and get people thinking about what is going on but most look at the situation for holes and reply. Not to many look to understand what is happening.

KP.

So why have you had to re write everything just because the implementation date has changed?

KP.

I'm still here, Keith, though I couldn't be bothered to take a whole lot of notice..But seriously: the ELAAAAAAAAA was supposed to be all the go some - what - 15 months ago? It seems to be spinning its wheels in a boggy patch.

Part149 and Part103 have had their implementation dates postponed, so we have had to re write everything. Then to add some fun the goal posts had some wheels engineered into the design of them.

KP

More A's in the LAAA.

Good to see you Oscar I thought all the Llewellyns had left the scene.

KP.

The only ELAA I know of is the..... Early Learning Association of Australia .... Bob

KP

SDQDI.. The answer to your question.(A) NO

However I do not enjoy seeing good honest people being taken advantage of and it is only just a display of egos.

When I see some wrong I do step up and tell the people they are being taken advantage of.

I hope that answered your question SDQDI.

KP

I may appear to be very negative. I can understand the need to move with the times, its the empire building, chasing after GA benefits and disregarding the core of the sport that I have a problem with. We are heading towards over regulation because we (the individual pilots) cant be trusted to govern our own safety and behave as we have been behaving with no problems for many years. All of a sudden someone who builds their own aircraft is not competent, without a piece of paper, to look after it. If you built it and fly it, surely you have a vested interest in keeping it flying safely. Who else knows your aircraft like you the builder. The accident rate in RAA registered aircraft is low so why should we be subject to GA style regulation when all of their rules have not changed the accident rate either. Common sense seems to be out and rules and regulations are in. Example, why should I have to get a piece of paper (L1 cert) to service and repair the aircraft I built and maintained. A ludicrous situation. Maybe time for a basic recreational flying body that actually looks after pilots and their ultralight aircraft, (oh, sorry, we had one of those. Dont know what happened to it)

""The board is doing it wrong and we are the new messiahs."" We have them - now steering the ship.

Well Hmmmmmmm what has happened?

Things are worse now *the board is absolutely silent and RAAus is going to be the next 1/2 or very mini GA.

Where RAAus started those little treasures are now for gotten

Medicals are getting tougher.. Registration is getting tougher. May as well go fishing the plane is now worthless....OR....Keep it out in the digglies.

KP