Marty_d

Yes but I can still handle those fancy looking birds !!!!!......................Maj....

"Handle those fancy looking birds"... "Fondle the old girl once again"...

 

Are we still talking planes??

 

 

MartyThe L angles between the ribs do not attach to the ribs they are about 4 mm short

I will take a pic of the plans and email them to you

 

Cheers

 

Allan

Thanks Allan, got that email. Thanks everyone for your advice!

 

Cheers, Marty

 

 

Glue some stiff foam ribs across the drumming areas??

That's another option, and certainly one I'm considering for the fuselage. However it seems easier just to use L (or Z) angles riveted to the skin rather than worrying about what type of glue to use, whether it'll eventually work loose due to vibration, etc etc.

 

 

Thanks Terry, that'd be fantastic.

 

I don't mind going out on a limb sometimes and putting in my own mod (after a LOT of thought), but always much happier if it's signed off by the designer. (Or his son).

 

 

That's how 'they' do it ............on the plans anyway!

Don't know about that - my plans have no false ribs shown at all, but I believe from anecdotal experience that many people add false ribs because of the large spans of unsupported 0.016" skin between the ribs (600mm). Apparently if you don't add them you get the banging noises as the skins "oil-can".

 

Hi MartyThe 750 and 650 now have L angles between the ribs side to side (parallel to the spar)

Cheers

 

Allan

Thanks Allan. Are they riveted to the rib flange as well, or just to the skin between them?

 

Thanks all, Marty

 

 

Hi,

 

 

I've cleco'd the top rear skin on the right wing and turned it over to do the bottom skin. However before it all gets put together I thought I should add false ribs (curved L angle) between ribs to get rid of oil canning in the wings.

 

 

How have people done this? Did you run the L angle all the way to the front and rear spars, or have a gap between them and just rivet to the skin? Or instead of running curved L from front to rear, did you run straight L span-wise between the ribs?

 

 

Interested in all discussion on this.

 

 

Thanks, Marty

 

 

His business is for sale!

Yep - this is his other ad:

 

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/nerang/business-for-sale/aircraft-wrecking-and-spare-parts/1014489743

 

 

...."religious education"...

 

 

Anyone see Kevin McCloud's "Man Made Home" series? He used a B737 cowling as a hot tub. Looked great. Wish we had an aircraft graveyard here that gave away parts!

 

 

I agree with all the comments - well done Sabrina!

 

Brings back memories of my first solo - totally unexpected at 6 hours (think they changed the rules the next year, this would be 1990!) - was just doing touch and go's, the instructor told me to come to a full stop, he jumped out and said "Off you go!"

 

I remember 2 things... the aircraft (C172) seemed to leap into the air without the weight of the instructor, and I couldn't get the grin off my face when I landed.

 

So treasure the memory and enjoy flying!

 

 

I just happened to flick the channel and saw the scene in the movie Face/Off where Nicholas Cage is trying to escape in a Lockheed L1329 JetStar. After John Travolta knocks one of the elevators off with his helicopter's skid (weak hinges there!!) young Nick shoots the pilot then, STANDING in the cockpit, steers the plane off the runway and into a hangar by turning the control column...

 

Good luck with that one!!

 

(Obviously leaving out the whole premise of being able to swap faces with another person to infiltrate their criminal enterprise and even fool their brother).

 

 

 

"...Police identified the offending stations by the queues of aircraft waiting to fill up..."

 

 

As long as you didn't serve airline food...

 

 

My kids have something like that for a playhouse.

I was thinking today that it'd make the world's best cubby house. Make your kids the most popular in the neighbourhood - that's gotta be worth $700!

 

 

According to the ad, seller could get $900 for scrap but prefers to sell it as an aircraft - good on them for that!

 

Jeez even wheels, brakes, control cables etc would make it worth it - if you had the space to store it. Then sell the rest for scrap.

 

 

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BEECHCRAFT-EXCALIBUR-QUEEN-AIR-AIRFRAME-LOCATED-JANDAKOT-YPJT-/271213951591?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid=111000&algo=REC.CURRENT&ao=1&asc=14&meid=8022047571532556906&pid=100015&prg=1006&rk=3&sd=161036393587&

 

 

$700 will buy it now! (minus props/engines/avionics/instruments).

 

Surely some budding inventor out there could do a "flight of the Phoenix" job on this? Use the outer wing panels, wheels/brakes and tail surfaces, bolt them on a home made fuselage and off you go!

 

 

 

I'd really like to have a flight one day. The other day as I was coming out of my piano lesson (in Kingston), the beaver was flying overhead and the engine sounded fantastic.I don't think it'd be able to fly today though, with the wind like it is.

 

Tom

Yeah, we live in Allens Rivulet and I've seen (and heard) it heading over for points south, probably Melaleuca. It was doing joy flights from Kingston Beach on Australia Day, that was pretty cool to see.

 

Sometimes my wife & I get fish & chips and sit on the wharf where it's tied up and I drool over it a bit (well, I think I'm drooling over the plane, might just be the crumbed trevalla from Flippers).

 

 

I'm pleased to hear it (wish that I lived there - LOVE the sound of round.) Don

Me too - we've got a Beaver here in Hobart now too, very distinctive engine note.

 

 

The latest OzRunways uses a term rubberband in relation to an IFR approach point - is this a regular computer term? It means nothing to me, can anyone shed any light on what is meant by it/how to do it?

Isn't that the thing in front of the firewall... you wind it up and it makes the propeller go?

 

 

Very true, look at the videos of Bob Hoover, rests a glass of water on the instrument panel and also pours a glass of water while doing a barrel roll without spilling a drop.

I saw Bob Hoover doing his "Energy Management" routine in a Shrike Commander at Skyrace Tasmania around 1995. Absolutely incredible. Not sure if that was the same show that Chris Sperou landed a Pitts Special inverted, but that was pretty exciting too... happened about 40m in front of me.

 

Talking of low flying though, check these guys out... at 4mm below the surface I think they get the prize for lowest flying!

 

 

 

3 Fs?

 

You have me intrigued about the 3 Fs. Mark, I hope all goes well at the wedding on Saturday: best wishes to Mr and Mrs Spectre!!!

Just started reading this thread so not sure if anyone has already answered the 3 F's question, but it is:

 

"If it flies, floats or f**ks... RENT, don't buy!!"

 

(I've also broken 2. Might buy a tin dish one day too so that'll be all 3.)

 

 

Ah good one EK... I had a quick look for Mark's diary last night and couldn't find it, was going to ask Geoff where it was.

 

Geoff, interested in those fuel resistant foam strips you used for the tanks, don't suppose you remember brand name?

 

Thanks, Marty

 

 

Hi Phil the bottom bearing looks good do you have a bearing on top of the nose leg ,the whole air craft is coming along nicely your a bit more advanced that mine .What stops the top of the nose leg hitting your engine mount tubes ..

l changed the joy stick today l have put a savannah controls on l think they are a lot better than the 701s and installed my headed tank also off a savannah l have started to install the savannah wing tanks it will be half 701 and half savannah l will have to change its name.savy701.

 

l am looking for a rubber boots to put on the steering rods l don't like the slide .

 

What size tyres do you have on .

 

cheers Geoff.

Hi Geoff,

 

It's been great to read all the posts in this thread, you guys are really going ahead with your 701's!

 

I'm plans building and about 5 years from finishing, have only done rudder/stab/elevators and half of one wing so far.

 

You said you used Savannah wing tanks, I also plan to do this. How did you secure them? Plans show the 701 tanks sitting on cork strips on bottom skins and the U section brackets holding them in place all around, did you do a similar method?

 

Also, did you have to move the tank spars at all, or do the Sav tanks fit in the same space as the 701?

 

Thanks, and thanks for all the info in your posts.

 

Cheers, Marty

 

 

Hi Jwh,

 

I'm plans building a 701, only done the tailfeathers and half of one wing so far. Excellent design and easy to build.

 

However there's also the 750 and Cruzer now, don't know much about the Cruzer but the 750 has several design changes that are superior to the 701 - things like 0.020" skin instead of 0.016", folded trailing edges on wing & elevators instead of riveted etc (I used the 750 method on my elevators with inset trim tab).

 

Having said that, if I could do things differently I'd buy a kit instead of scratch building. Yes it's exciting and you get a sense of accomplishment from making your own parts, but everything takes so long and making multiples of the same item gets a bit boring after a while. At the time I started, the aluminium & steel cost around $5,500. At the moment according to the Zenair website, the complete kit + finishing kit for the 750 is around $20,000 plus however much it costs to get it over here - Allan from Zenair Australia would be able to give you a better idea.

 

You might also want to consider the ICP Savannah, they seem to be more popular in Aus than the 701.

 

Whatever you decide on, good luck!

 

 

An instructor told me when he was co-pilot in the airlines his captain had a stewardess on his lap at takeoff and when he gave the word the stewardess fulled hard back on the control column. [of the plane]

I admire your restraint in not calling it a "joystick"...