thanks for the info, with the tecnam, it flies really well but im not sure how it would go in rough turbulence, also the plane i was flying i think is a 2007 model and its already got a bit of corrosion, and you can tell its so much lighter than a GA plane, a ga plane can have patches removed every annual for 50 years but im not sure about these tecnams, and at about 100k its a decent amount to throw away if its only going to last 10-15 years