motzartmerv

Sweety!? Aw shucks! And all this time I thought you didn't like me.......

Or, an attempt to get Info.. But you keep pushing your little wagon sweety.

Oscar said just a page or so back: "

That Rotax 912 engines are far more tolerant of a wider range of operating conditions than are Jabiru engines, I don't believe is in any way in issue. The form of Rotax 912s is without doubt, inherently more tolerant: water-cooled heads are, quite simply, protected far better than air-cooled heads and a great deal of the operating tolerance of Rotax 912s flows from that: tolerance to variations in fuel quality, a more consistent cooling installation in all operating conditions, almost no occurrence of thermal shock. All of that is good;

 

Hmmmm..... Seriously rubbishing the opposition with that comment. Like being savaged by a gummy sheep. I imagine Rotax will be seeking a restraining order after that condemnation.

 

Snickers time again?

That's a nice para you dug up. Good job.

You two want a room?

Merv, I'm not going to be goaded into a complete waste of my time and this thread. End of.

MY posts?.. yes I see the answer was about 30?.. Not a huge data set. And NONE in school aircraft. Call me naive, but why are some placing so much stock in this engine? While in the same breath rubbishing an engine with over 50000 units world wide?

Its a genuine question Mr Llewellen, so spare me the valued judgments, and try and keep your response below the word count of your last two pages of offerings (1866 words in 2 posts..Some sort of record surely?) And Im tirseome ?

Ok. ( rich coming from you)

So refresh my memory ?

Roughly??

So how many camit engines do we base all this " fix" data on?

How many camit engines are fitted to training aircraft?

Yep. We see some pretty crazy stuff. Most people just dont know the rules, others know them, but dont care..

Good onya col! Yea very warm. Nice storm came through and cooled things tho.

Anyone who thinks the current situation isn't a monster risk to our future, hasn't thought it through. Nev

It's a beauty of a day... Let's go flying!!

As predicted this thread has ended up like the last one, so I'll leave you to play your childish games without me. I will await something NEW or informative to come out.

https://www.raa.asn.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Defect-Report-November-2014_Fillable.pdf

By who - more BS

Maybe but the classic moose stall requires a 360 deg turn. Some types are prone to this in specific flap/power combinations where flying through their own wake the horizontal tail stalls resulting in a violent nose down pitch.

http://generalaviationnews.com/2013/06/30/beware-the-moose-spiral/

The classic low, slow, looking back in a turn.. In Alaska it happens so much while guys are looking at wildlife they named it a ' moose spiral. Or moose stall'

C'mon Merv! Someone said on the forum that "out of 2000 jabiru engines in service only 500 reached TBO" So it stands to reason that if I post here that out of 2000 jab engines in service 75% reach TBO my figures would be believed and be quoted as fact somewhere down the line? Really? Why not? My rumour is just like the other one i.e Useless and without a shred of credibilityp.s. Wanna buy a good used Harbour bridge?

It seems some don't mind using " some figures" I help suport their case, and cry foul over other figures.

If we honestly believe casa would falsify records and then act on them, then we really do have some problems.

Conspiracy theories are easy to find, easy to propogate and can be a good distraction from the real story.

So we have two Options here:

1. Casa are talkin sh1t and have falsified numbers,

2. There were actually a Shirtload of engine problems and they need to act.

Not trying to sell a harbour bridge, but I know which option I would be betting on.

Just like the "phony casa figures" :) just sayin.

Forsyth noted carriers such as British Airways and Easyjet freely sent the majority of their operational safety data through to their national regulator, something that would be unheard of here. 

 

Yes the Forsyth report is very damming of casa. Was there a section in casa falsifying statistics on which they based their safety recommendations?

Do we have any evidence at all that casa have told porkys?

Not that I've seen. It seems the report while scathing of casa, falls short of producing any evidence that would indicate casa are " being dishonest" or lying in their quoted stats.

I'm happy to be corrected of you have a report or a quote.. Or a poem or cliche that can provide evidence of ANYTHING ????

Fair?...No.. Accurate? I would hope so..

So which year did the 45 failures occur in ?

HOW WILL THIS LOOK IF IT GOES PEARSHAPED and ENDS UP IN THE COURTS. That thought has helped me to make the right decision a lot of times. Nev

Classic Moose stall it seems. Sad, and preventable.

indeed, it shows that Rotax was the engine brand with that distinction.

Interesting the way stats work hey? Where as if there was 45 failures one year, and only 44 the next year, the stats would happily show a DECLINE hey? How "Valid" are stats like this? What ever stats CASA are using, the result is still the same.

‘I NOTE CASA’S ADVICE THAT, ALTHOUGH MOST JABIRU ENGINES OPERATE NORMALLY, THERE IS AN ABNORMAL RISK THE ENGINE IN THE AIRCRAFT WILL MALFUNCTION.

Keep trying Oscar...

What CASA has dropped is a large pile of excrement indeed.

a) learn to live with it

b) Encourage Jabiru to produce answers so the limitations can be lifted.

Seeing as paraphrasing a document to prove a point is the go..

I AM AWARE THAT THE CIVIL AVIATION SAFETY AUTHORITY (CASA) HAS DATA INDICATING THAT THE TYPE OF ENGINE USED IN THE AIRCRAFT HAS SUFFERED A HIGH NUMBER OF FAILURES AND RELIABILITY PROBLEMS.

‘I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT CASA HAS IMPOSED LIMITATIONS ON THE AIRCRAFT TO PROTECT PERSONS ON THE GROUND NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE OPERATON OF THE AIRCRAFT, UNINFORMED PASSENGERS AND TRAINEE PILOTS. THOSE LIMITATIONS ALSO HELP PASSENGERS AND TRAINEE PILOTS TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ABOUT WHETHER TO ACCEPT THE RISK OF FLIGHTS IN THE AIRCRAFT.

End of story.. We can jump up and down, stomp our feet and point fingers all day long, but at the end of the day it wont help matters.. The ship has sailed, the horse has bolted, the cat has well and truly been tossed amongst the pigeons...

Hopefully this will all be over quickly and Jab will produce the goods that CASA want, and we will have a better, safer Aussie product..