Riley

I don't like change in any manner of all things (excepting first wives and she was round too).

 

 

What part of Australia is Christchurch? Or is it just a wannabe.

It's the part that 'shakes, rattles & rolls' (and obviously did so too hard sometime in the past and separated itself from the east coast of this country.

 

 

Have to say theses days in Australia there's not much option for buying propellers.So who manufactures propellers here in oz?

Bolly -being expensive for small U/L projects.

 

Jabiru -same as above .

 

So where to go? Re-wind to 2014 and there was at least 2 wooden prop manufactures: Sweet apple - great prop reasonable price

 

arktech - good prop great price

 

But sadly both gone :(

 

Looks like a great opportunity for a woods smith to ad some competition? Or is demand just not there?

 

Anyway I'm needing x2 props. ;)

 

57 x 38 for rotax 503 258.1 pusher

 

60 x ? For rotax 582 258.1 tractor

You can try Dieter Sedbauer, in Morayfield, Qld. (0414 504 116). He took over the Sweetapple prop facility when Richard finally retired. No idea as to how pricey his gear is. Did you get my email re: the 2 blade Ivoprop?

 

 

I hope you are kidding Doug...can you imagine the outcome of that...1. RAAus will make you use or know your real identity

2. We see here the way discussions go about RAAus so imagine what a dogs breakfast it would be

 

3. RAAus could not stop a member from using it, banning or suspending a member they don't like without legal challenge

 

4. RAAus board would have to answer everything which would destroy each one's reputation because they would be judged on every single word

 

5. RAAus members would go on the attack

 

6. The amount of time required to manage it would be overwhelming

 

7. They could not be considered as official if they got non board members to manage and moderate it

 

Further more if we take the EAA forums as an example, EAA has a membership 10 times that of RAAus yet if we compare their usage to this site who has a 1/10th potential userbase, their forums are not really used as they have slightly less users than Recreational Flying (.com).

 

Can you imagine RAAus being forced into answering every question about them that has been posted on this site and then being subjected to further questioning on their answer because if they didn't they would be doomed, they would also be doomed if they did.

 

Basically it would be a disaster for RAAus and the membership...and money

About a dozen or more years back the AUF (predecessor of RAA) actually had an internet member's forum. Not surprising, when member's questions of the Board (Middleton's days) became too difficult or embarrasing to responsibly answer, a board member moved that the site be closed. The Board supported the move unamimously. What has changed?

 

 

G'day Bob,REALLY sorry not to have gotten back to you sooner. My work email system had filtered out the notification as possible SPAM. If you haven't already given them to someone else, my address is 16 Sackville St Ingleburn NSW 2565. I really appreciate your generosity, please ensure you include your address with the parcel so I can send you something.

Many Thanks

 

Kevin

Books in the post to you this morning. Cheers. Bob

 

 

Greetings All

 

Now back in Perth freezing my goolies in the wind and rain with conditions rough enough that on first attempt, the 737-800 had to abort landing and do a 20 minute go-around. Got to perve the Caloundra Aviation Museum one day but arrived at TAVAS parking lot 1 minute before closing (15:00) so missed out. Apart from that the weather was beaut, re-lived old escapades with the non-aviator visitors (3 flatmates from NZ days 50 years ago), and came home feeling slightly guilty in that I should have directed the expenditure towards replacing the house HWS but, what the hell. Thanks to all for your suggestions & tips. cheers

 

 

No sweat Kev. I've been on the Sunshine Coast since Sat so no inconvenience encountered. Will be back in Perth after the weekend and will get the goodies on the way to you early in the week. Cheers. Bob

 

 

Riley:Depending on your schedule, the Brisbane Valley Airshow will be on this coming weekend. I have volunteered (as I'm a member at Watts) and from the looks of the planning, it's going to be bigger than Ben Hur. A definite must for aviation tragics and wanna-be's alike. There will be warbirds, and supposedly a low pass by an Amberley C17, aerobatics displays, vintage aircraft and cars etc, etc.

Gawd, salt on the wound! Saw the ad for the Watts event too late to modify plans. Hopefully the weather will co-operate to ensure you organisers a success. Were I still a Bribane resident (left in '78) I'd certainly be paying hangar fees at Watts Bridge. Thanks for the invite.

 

 

Which Savannah are you planning on looking at.The guys at TAVAS are great and easy to get along with.

Drop me a message when you plan to be at Caboolture, I would love to meet up.

Geoff/Kyle

Staying at Nautilus Apts in Mooloolabah catching up with old flat mates of 50 years ago from NZ days. Will probably rent a car for a day or so and hit TAVAS and the Caloundra Museum during the week. Visiting in Brisbane over next w/end then back to Perth. Mob # 0428 338 933.

 

 

John Scotts Sav is for sale I believe. Its the yellow one about 3 hangars down from Dannys hangar Geoff. Although I had heard it has been sold. Its the only one I know of that is on the market

Thats the one. Mate at Bindoon in WA bought it some weeks back but his ferry pilot isn,t back in the country yet ex Oshkosh so I volunteered to take some photos for him in the interim. My cojones only big enough to take photos, not big enough to offer to do the ferry.

 

 

Have been reluctantly press-ganged into a weeklong social visit to the Maroochydore area visiting with old friends (non aviators) and staying in a resort(?) @ Mooloolah. I reckon about two days by the pool will have me at hair-pulling/body scratching stage so would appreciate any tips, hints etc fm local aviators that might point me in the right direction to something of interest (preferably of the airfield genus) that might offer a temporary escape. I do intend to sniff around TAVAS if allowed and hopefully view a Savannah at Caboolture on behalf of a Perth mate. Tks in anticipation. Riley

 

 

I forsee some medical problems? Upside down for that length of time...blood flow etc?

Blood flow can collect in the space in his empty head from where his brains have preumably leaked away. CFI? Stunt Pilot? Egotistical Screw-loose? There are achievements and some records settings that are very worthy of public recognition but this stunt serves no purpose whatsoever. I doubt that his mother would be proud of him. cheers

 

 

Greetings KevinThe manuals you identified have your name on them. I'll bag them up and take to the post office to get a price on mailing and let you know. cheers

Shoving them into a postal bag to 2565 will cost $13.40. I'll be gone for a few weeks as of Sat so send me your address and I'll get them into the mail tomorrow. You can buy me a beer sometime when we meet up. cheers Bob

 

 

Hi Riley, thanks for the generous offer. If they are still available, I would love the RAAF Aeronautical Engineering Manual, Collection of Electrical Wiring Schematic Diagrams f/ Douglas DC-3c, 47A 1964 and the P & W Twin Wasp Operating Instructions Sept 1946.My postcode is 2565 if you let me know what I owe you and best way to get payment to you.

Thanks again

 

Kevin

Greetings Kevin

The manuals you identified have your name on them. I'll bag them up and take to the post office to get a price on mailing and let you know. cheers

 

 

Greetings All

 

Recently I was offered second bite at a couple of boxes of +1950's era aviation-related books, manuals, documents etc from a clean-out of a deceased estate shed. The WA State Library, the RFDS and RAAF Bull Creek Museum declined any interest so listed hereunder is what's left and on offer to any one who may wish to acquire for the cost of the postage. Apart from the DC-3 wiring schematics, all volumes are in good to very good condition.

 

Ansett Ground Operations Manual, 3 ring binder, June 1972

 

Pratt & Whitney Gas Turbine Installation Handbook, 3 ring binder, Sept 1955

 

RAAF Aeronautical Engineering Manual, 3 ring looseleaf, 1944

 

Fokker F28 Fellowship Manintenance Book May 1967

 

F28 Fellowship Fatigue Testing Symposium Paper May 1967

 

Australia's Domestic Airline System (Ansett booklet) Feb 1981

 

Collection of Electrical Wiring Schematic Diagrams f/ Douglas DC-3c, 47A 1964

 

P & W Twin Wasp Operating Instructions Sept 1946

 

Tender Documents to RFDS for Piper Seneca 11 1976

 

Gulfstream Promotional folder to RFDS for Commander Jetprop 980 & 1000 series 1982

 

Nomad 22 Technical Description Manuals (4 off) & Promotional Brochures from 1975

 

Government Aircraft Factory

 

 

I was going to ask about the alloy and especially the Temper. According to wikipedia, T3 means "solution heat treated and cold worked" whereas T6 means "solution heat treated and artificially aged".That kind of means nothing to me - is 2024T3 more malleable?

 

Possibly some wheel work will be needed - the most extreme curves would be the wing and tail surfaces leading edges.

 

Thanks PM, I'll check that out.

Getting respectable 'pudding' (compound curvature) into any alloy sheet in excess of 500mm square with a shaped mallet and a sand-filled leather bag is a very difficult task for the un-initiated, particularily when there's a need for two items of mirror image. For the large areas of fuselage skinning, you almost have to have both an English wheel and a gas torch for seam welding/annealing/reworking. Above all else, one needs to have the experience and proficiency to use both items of equipment when working with aluminium sheet. This I became aware of (but didn't learn how) when building the body for the Riley Special. Ended up getting lucky and finding an old codger with both a wheeling machine in his shed and +60 years experience in using it. He would allow me to practice wheeling with bits of scrap but wouldn't let me near anything that was going on the car. Good luck (and be mindfull, perseverance pays). cheers

 

 

On an internal flight in Indonesia, we were all shut in and just about to taxi, when I pointed out to the hostile that there was a bicycle in the aisle. I said we are not taking off with that and she replied that we were. I said that I would be talking to IATA. They opened up again and the bike was removed.Another trip with Emirates, we were taxiing in at Heathrow and I was watching a forward looking TV, we stopped at a crossing taxiway, so passengers stood up and opened lower clears, we moved again and did a sharp stop and half of the passengers fell over.

Despite knowing different, I'd like to think it may have been the driver's way of trying to teach the dumb basterds a lesson?

 

 

Well after working in India for a while I can see why it happens, most locals carry far more carry on than allowed and the culture of even boarding the plane is so far out of control.On every occasion I was boarding a flight to come home they would call for example people for rows 50 to 60 to board, every time almost everyone got up except for the skippy and the Pom and started pushing and shoving to board the plane.

I used to joke to old mate that I hoped someone was going to be sitting in the rows farther forward or the plane would be sitting on its tail.

 

I would often if I was in the rows called get in line and casually move and leave a gap of a few feet, I would have passengers trying to push me along but being twice the build I would just block them, it would get to the point I would turn around ask them what is your hurry and they would say we have to get on the plane, my response was this sucker ain't going anywhere until everyone is boarded so stop pushing, half the reason I think was to get their carry on in the lockers

 

Then you want to be sitting in it when they arrive at the arrival gate, as soon as one person stands up even if the seat belt sign is still on everyone of that culture almost gets up, then it becomes a race to get off and collect your 4 + carry ons and looks just like the video

 

They believe in enchala (gods will) if they are meant to die they will so may as well try and get all my stuff off

 

Note: usually the professionals or educated are far more tolerant than just the average Joe who travels which is the majority most times

Totally agree Alf. After +25 years of Intn'l flights thru 3rd world areas, what I witnessed (despite rules and common sense) as everyday normal boarding, in-flight and deplaning/customs immigration air transport activities would shock CASA or ATSB out of existence. One instance on a domestic flight in West Africa, when I complained bitterly about safety of the pile of supposedly 'carry on' luggage (the o'head lockers were already bursting) piled in the isle at the aft end totally blocking the rear stairs access, the cabin staff's reluctant remedy was to use both toilets as baggage compartments for the overflow. On reflection, it was probably a practical move as generally the toilets were blocked and too foul for use anyway. We Ozzies are spoiled in what we perceive as 'acceptable'.

 

 

Kasper, I have been a builder for 35 years and although I don't and have never built an aircraft I have built untold houses and multi story buildings in my career, when you build a house you have at least 3 inspections by an engineer and normally a final inspection by the certifier and all of these inspections cost around the $160 mark, these inspections are not only for my benefit but the owners peace of mind and the assurance that they are getting a safe and structurally sound building, the same could be said for building an aircraft, we know that you can build an aircraft but these are just the checks and balances they want you to do to ensure yours and potentially the next person safety that may buy this aircraft off you to down the track.Kasper I don't like paying for inspections either but unfortunately these days these need to be done and we need the funds to pay for these just like you need the funds for a engine and materials.

 

I would suggest that before you start your next project do up a budget and include these costs and if your budget exceeds your funds then you may have to delay the start or shelve it for a while until you save some more money in this way you know you have all the funds to build your aircraft including all of these painful inspections, personally I find it reassuring to have some else throw an eye over what I have built and find things that I may have missed after all we are just human and sometimes prone to mistakes.... inspections are just a part of the building things these days...it is just the way it is...

 

David

Any builder would be a damn fool not to accept constructive comment from an observer during a build but you're comparing apples to oranges David. Note that Kasper is referring to 95-10 single seat category of homebuilts where there never has been accomodation for protection of anyone excepting the owner/pilot. Houses aren't airplanes and sub 300 kg experimentals have always comprised of "build and do what you are prepared to prove will work with no risk to others" For the higher-paid help to now require four staged inspections for this category by some third party who has had no involvement in the planning & building of the machine has little merit and must certainly curtail innovation. More unnecesary regulation - More "GA, here we come"? Greyhound racing is currently on the nose but it may have more future than recreational avaition. Rgds Riley

 

 

An aircraft with substantial damage can go through a change of owner process with that information reported on the ACR. As has been said many times the ACR is not a statement of airworthiness. What happens with the registration in that situation I don't know. I hav only ever bought and sold airworthy aircraft.

From experience, RAA take your paperwork and money, transfer ownership of the pile of components into your name then it sits in 'limbo' until such time as the A/C is either ready to go back in the air (or is passed on to an aspiring new owner) where-in a fresh ACR is required for the change of status. Two such 'gunna's' reside in my hangar at present.

 

 

Who's endorsing Eugene?

Eugene is.

 

 

unbelievable

Why is it unbelievable? Have we not seen the full spectrum of 'unbelievable' activities by various boards on behalf of the mute membership over the years?

 

 

Is anyone putting their hand up for the election or will it fall to the old guard due to lack of interest?

Going on recent history, lack of interest will probably rule the day. Couple of months back I had an on-going debate with the CEO about what I felt was the premature and incomplete presentation of the Constitution (and I still feel the same) but ultimate ratification was the result of a small percentage of members casting a majority of votes in favour. Case closed however, with such a dismal participation on such an important item indicating that 'most-don't-care' and the continual sniping from the great unwashed (some of it very justified), not too many sensible persons would want to put their hand up for the poisoned chalice. Some notable achievements have been accomplished by the Board of late but equally, they present us with some unwholesome baggage for the future. Nominating for the Board would seem a guaranteed case of "Damned if you do and damned if you don't", for any new Board aspirant. I had a happy childhood - why am I so cynical in my latter years?

 

 

Any shopping center in Logan City or Beenliegh, Saturday lunchtime.

Bex, when you get back to Qld those lovely ladies are gonna put a contract on ya!

 

 

on

 

I am staggered that people are prepared to offer a view or an opinion on something for which they have exactly zero facts.This is not a matter for opinion. It is a matter of fact. The seller of the aircraft will have evidence of its allowable MTOW in Australia.

 

There is an issue of WHEN. It may well have been first registered in Australia at 544 kg and then been down-rated back to 450 kg and then, once the right evidence was in place, re-rated back up to 544 kg. I don't know and I doubt any poster above knows other than AAAA.

 

Suggesting that a potential purchaser check the availability of spares could be good advice if it were offered with full bona fides. Again no evidence is provided to prove that it is a problem.

 

Similarly, no evidence is provided that the undercarriage is "problematical" - whatever the scientific definition of "problematical" might be.

 

You don't need a degree in aeronautical design to know that at 450 kg MTOW it would be quite limited but when the 450 kg is a just an assertion from an unhappy camper and not a fact supported by evidence, the advice is very questionable and perhaps not worth the paper it's not written on.

 

Getting involved in a commercial dispute that you do not know the facts of is a good way to be taken for a ride by one side or the other.

 

Personally, I believe this thread should be taken down as it is not in the good spirit of Rec Flying.

Don, while not wishing to stoke or piss on anyone's campfire (I have no skin in the game) I have personally witnessed an instance of RG failure on landing in a Sabre within the past couple of years that was ultimately identified as lightness in the build of the RG motor mountings. In the quest to include all the 'goodies' (RG, in-flight adjustable prop, 2-seater etc) in an RAA-regoed airframe it would appear that structural integrity was whittled to the minimum to qualify. The MTOW level, by either country's standards doesn't alter the fact that life-time durability must diminish if structural paramaters are reduced. This post is in no way intended as a condemnation of the Sabre, just a bit of additonal info concerning your comments on the gear. Cheers