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Gannett in post number 388 in this thread you said it. I went back and reread it to make sure.

Had some odd discussions as of late. Remember the good old days in aviation when people put floats on planes with 90 hp. Some had powerful ones with 140 or 150 hp. Well now a few are spewing off how 230 hp in a little 4 place isn't sufficient. Made me chuckle is all. So had any odd aviation chats lately....share them here if you want to.

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Nice build. Keep up the great work.

Cigar anyone.....

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DDLeVy2gC2v0&ved=0ahUKEwis4oPlm6_JAhVWKYgKHQraCTMQtwIIJjAE&usg=AFQjCNFAgZaOnHFILDL66zPoq0Y8OW1afg&sig2=amPYFpWVh0lCsq5M5A17wA Lol.....if he had passengers i wonder how wet their underwear were after.....

Djpacro, I concur that inverted in a loop is a special circumstance. I had no idea from your original statement that we (you) were not talking about normal flight. So for that my apologies sir.

Sometimes you just cannot touch down both mains at once... Go practice crosswind landings gannett. Then get back to us how that instructors teaching worked out for you? Hopefully its just a very mild ground loop and no damage is done....just a little bit embarrassing is all.

Djpacro. How oh how did you come to that conclusion. Its a stall!!!!!!!! Learn to recognize that its a stall and get the damn nose down asap. Obviously keeping the current attitude, or trying to pull the nose up even more is not working. Did your instructor teach you this? If so go find a new instructor and take extensive stall training to break your current bad habits that you were taught by some moron.

Ozzie. How long is your prediction before its an accident report if the pilot is that negligent?

This is just 1 of many....but illistrates my point. These morons were so clueless that not 1 of the 3 could recognize a simple stall....and didn't have the brains to even hear and comprehend the stall warning horn going off for a long time. It shouldn't take you even a full second to hear the stall horn and be reacting to it. I doubt these 3 combined have the brains to deal with most any situation. But because they could tie a Windsor knot to wear a tie with their uniform some idiot hired them. I personally would not trust them to even latch my door, or check the oil levels in my engines. But miraculously they were given an airliner to practice trying to fly on. There are hundreds of crash reports similar to this. The common area is lack of training and lack of brains to understand a very basic and simple concept. Stalls are no big deal. ..drop the nose and add power if not already at full power. Spin training is mandatory in Canada....in some places it isn't. And to that I ask why the heck not????? If you don't train for it....if it happens chances are high you are not going to recover from it. Spins are just simply fun to practice. Heck I enjoy them. Sure nothing to be scared of.

I am just adding this and then walking away. I strongly feel that stalls are no big deal if a pilot is trained to recognize that is what is happening. ....and to automatically drop the nose. Problem is many don't practice stalls often enough...or train to drop the nose instantly. In fact many go oh crap i am sinking and pull back even harder. Aggravating it can be that sometimes they will also spin when stalled....and few spin train either. I practice stalls frequently. And by frequently i don't mean a couple times per year....i mean frequently. Stalled my seneca probably over 60 times so far in 2015. Power off, cruise, fire walled, level. banked both left and right. ....loaded lightly and at gross. Many airliners crash because pilots don't train enough. ...and heck they even have stick shakers.....how poorly are you trained to even ignore a stick shaker and see a descent rate, so you pull back even harder. Morons like that after they crash and kill many, still get their memory to their loved ones kept all pretty and intact by the report calling it an accident.....i say let it be more honest and say Due to his negligence and stupidity he reacted 100 % incorrect and killed many....the pilot was a menace who never should have been allowed to fly anything more than a kite on a breezy day with his kids. End of rant.

For those unable to grasp my bad humor.....that was a joke....although could be correct to under certain circumstances.

He loaded the moose he shot on his hunting trip to far aft ☺

SSCBD ....considering how expensive some wives can be the upgrade might be to a PC12. ☺

Hi Jim. True my friend. But at my little grass strip I am well above ground effect by the hillside....i just don't want to then worry about a 300 foot hill so i swing east about 30 degrees as soon as safe to do so....usually about the time i am darn near out of runaway. I am the only twin there. Many think it is nuts to have my seneca there. But it is perfectly fine for me. Would I suggest a low timer....or even a high timer not used to short strips use it....no way. But I have come to regard anything over 2000 feet now as long. The seneca is a dog at take off....but still doable. My new 182 will feel like I am cheating when on a strip that long. But its new home should have the same sort of feel since its 1400 feet of dirt. Will be great only driving 3 minutes to the strip, instead of the 30 i drive now. Obstacles at the new strip are a low slope hill, and very small trees. The owner of the land just makes us users sign a liability waiver. He has a beautiful cub crafter kit cub that uses so little runway if he was at a regular airport he could just use the ramp or a taxi way and forego the runways. Sorry if this is considered off topic....and a moderator is welcome to delete this posting if they feel it interupts the flow of this topic. Cheers

Sorry to hear of this tragedy. A few of my friends have succumbed to the same horrible fate.

Makes sense to me. ....Africans are mighty tasty with taters and gravy....

Every take off is different. How heavy are you? Obstacles? Field length and surface type? Wind speed and direct on the nose or severe cross. Pilot skill? Aircraft type? And the list goes on and on.... I would say 50 percent of the time I try to just add enough back pressure to let it fly off when ready. Then accelerate in ground effect, and then start to climb out at best rate and not best angle, while getting rid of the gear as soon as i have about 20 or 30 feet under me or if a short strip when out of runaway, whichever is first. That is assuming no big obstacles in the windscreen. Then i go to cruise climb after about 1000 feet agl....and by about 2000 i reduce power to. I hate running the engines flat out for extended periods of time. I frequently go in and out of Courtenay and its a very nice strip. But despite a lack of obstacles except for a 4 or 5 foot fence people do stupid stuff because its only 1800 feet long. But it's the easiest 1800 feet you will ever find. I never use best angle unless I must outclimb an obstacle. What i consider to be my home strip is listed as 2500 feet of grass....but there is really about an extra 100 at each end if you want it....so i call it 2700 feet. The valley is narrow. The ends have hillside to out climb if you stay straight. But a gentle turn to the east either direction puts you over lower ground. I watch so many stay straight ahead and consider rhe hills an obstacle to out climb.....and why????? A gentle turn removes the obstacles and adds safety IMO. The real question should be....what technique do you use in examples A to Z for take off.....as no 2 are the same. Asking vx or vy is very misleading IMO. I consider vx dangerous if not any obstacles.

That is great...and welcome to the forum.

Well aint diss an interwestin topick.

Hard to call that an accident.....more negligence. But still very sad.

Thanks for writing that up. Oneday when i have more experience I may write my thoughts down for others to read. First off though I know that my learning is not done. At 500 hours I thought I knew lots about flying. Then at 5000 hours I figured I was damn good. Now with almost 22k in rotary....and just over 4500 in fixed wing....I am not sure if I know a damn thing. Experience has taught me I have a lot left to learn.

Sadly they go down here all too regularly to. Very sad!

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