Ballpoint 246niner

What an absolutely fantastic aviation weekend! IMHO the best venue in SE Qld and the best and hardest working team in Ron & Edith and ably supported group from Wings of Life and Griffith Uni and the huge number of volunteers. the evening auction and dinner was an absolute hit- Thank you to the RFDS and SES as well. The model guys rock too and the serenity of watching a sunset paraglider while sipping a cold one are unforgettable.

Sharing the joy and skill of flight with the public and young aspiring aviators is the best thing in aviation.

THANK YOU ARCHER FALLS.

Pretty sure I know them from Old station this year. Hope they recover OK.

Big day today as I had to relay a MAYDAY today which was an EF as well that turned out OK. Hope you get it sorted Tony.

Ryan , I took Scott (above)in their on a navex and know the strip well, the rising terrain and density alt can be a little tricky on a hot day.No issues it's a council strip with a couple of great locals who operate there as well. park up the southern end if your are there for a while. It saved my butt the day the dragon went in in bad weather when we diverted. As everyone says do your prec search and no worries there if not a little rough at either end. Foxbat will be fine.

Haydn- pm me mate re your visit- lets GoFly!

Welcome James a pleasure to fly with you.. Stay safe

I live in Narromine so some details for visitorsTwo motels, Stockman and Peppercorn

Also caravan park at airport, few cabins and tents

 

Abbey bed and breakfast

 

Imperial Stay has pub rooms plus some backpacker style bunks.

 

Also Narromine hotel has rooms I think, some motel type and some pub rooms too.

 

No hire cars but is taxis

 

Can walk to town along golf course.

 

USMC club does meals, three chinese restraunts, 2 cafes, plus meals at 3 pubs.

 

2 servos, both do food and have PULP.

 

Obviously theres the Aeroclub which will have stuff there for the weekend.

 

Sept is mostly superb weather, cold mornings and warm days. Can get windy in afternoons.

 

East is Dubbo, RPT and all that goes with it.

 

West you can fly over lots of green wheat and some canola.

 

Cotton gins still running full steam. Lots of yellow suasages are cotton staked ready for processing. Still lots on farms too.

 

North and west of Trangie you will see big channel lining project, black rubber used to stop water seepage. ~ 60 km done, more to go. Largest of its type in Aus and maybe the world. Smaller one just south of airport just started.

 

Active Ag strip just north of Trangie - keep aware of it.

 

All I can think of , hope it helps

 

Pm if anyone needs more info or help

You have a very understanding mum !!

It seems hard to ignore how RA Aus appears now to be in a further developed stage of atrophy where good, experienced and capable senior managers are appointed and cannot function due to the operational and organisational environment that continues to exist.

Not only does this stifle resolution in the areas that they were recruited to, but also repels further potential applicants, who ultimately would hold the key to effective development for the organisation. this "catch 22" places enormous load on those who continue to work operationally in all ares of RA Aus and I feel for all the " good" people who are working for us who must be buckling under the strain. Surely a situation that any business can't sustain.

A shame to have a " gathering of eagles" and have a turkey fly the coup- only takes a fly in and an ego unfortunately. Announcing you are about to be an idiot does not excuse anyone for being one unless specifically being an approved fly past by CASA and the organisers or a published and communicated " missed approach in the active or duty runway direction.

Sounds like none of these were adhered to so well go with summary of incident No 1 I guess.

Sorry Scott I couldn't make it due school commitments

Pathfinder aviation have had 2 in one month?

We may have to call them "paddockfinder" aviation - 2 in one month. Great job dougie- looked so cool the student may have as well thought it was just practice! Finally some good positive coverage by the media on channel 10 tonight

Yes/ agree to all the above comments .

I agree Escarille, the training these days doesn't seem to focus so much on engine failures and having landing options at all times......

And if they don't recite a pre take -off safety brief once taught they are almost guaranteed one!

Hi All, Due to a change in house location,I am looking at changing my aircraft and now need the short field performance of the Savannah. I also like the reasonable cruise and other attributes of the Savannah.I live on the Darling Downs and wonder if anyone would be willing to give me trial flight in a Savannah Please? I am of course willing to pay for fuel and I could fly to you in my Jabiru (field length permitting!).I can be contacted on 0400472303 or via this site. Many Thanks Andy

" I am a firm believer that transmitting a 1200 code (Mode C) in G airspace is not a bad thing as it can help ATC within coverage separate and advise other aircraft under flight plan of your presence"--------------------------------------------------------

As above agree, but I would add listening on relevant area freq, and using correct area QNH. I have had centre pass opposing IFR traffic for information even though separated by hemispherical levels, (nice info) but they are relying on your transponder height - info can be misleading if you are not using correct area QNH i.e. 30ft / mb. Blind encoder using 1013 and then converted to area QNH.

 

There is also a tendency for 'some' VFR pilots to fly around happily on 126.7.

NeilWhen you get a response, let us know on here...I'll be interested in the answer.......

 

What mode S transponders are you using?

 

Andy

Just another point, I am a firm believer that transmitting a 1200 code (Mode C) in G airspace is not a bad thing as it can help ATC within coverage separate and advise other aircraft under flight plan of your prescence and with the increasing number of TCAS and other smaller personal CAS systems now in many aircraft, it's one more layer of alerted separation available to us as common users of uncontrolled airspace.

People have you seen this:-Update – Weight Restricted Type Certified Aircraft

 

August 23, 2013 | Mark Clayton

 

Discussions between the Association and CASA have recently delivered a possible, alternate means of compliance for those owners with weight-restricted Type Certified aircraft. This very encouraging development could potentially have far-reaching benefits for owners of Type Certified aircraft which have LSA equivalents (e.g. Pipistrel, Tecnam, Moyes Dragonfly, Evektor Foxbat, Fly Synthesis etc.).

 

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Currently there is no provision for increasing the MTOW of a Type Certified (TC) aircraft unless it has an appropriate Supplemental Type Certificate issued by Australia or another recognised NAA.

 

CASA Legal have recently indicated however that if the Type Certificate holder of an aircraft also produces an equivalent LSA version (e.g. Eurofox) and, the TC holder is willing to provide a Statement of compliance for the latter (by serial number), then the aircraft could be permitted to operate at a MTOW subject to the following requirements:

 

1. That each of the aircraft must then comply with the LSA requirements and be issued with a Special C of A

 

2. That prior to the issue of the C of A an airworthiness audit is conducted on each of the aircraft to ensure that

 

a. No modifications have been conducted without manufacturers approval;

 

b. The aircraft has been maintained in accordance with the manufacturers maintenance requirements;

 

c. All other LSA requirements are met.

 

We’ll keep you informed as this matter progresses, and encourage you to contact us if you have any related questions.

 

Darren Barnfield

 

Technical Consultant

 

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Any thoughts for those affected?

 

Andy

Everyone this is an awesome event and Ron,Doug and Edith (ooops!! so sorry)are going to great lengths to make this bigger and better than ever. Go Fly will be there offering training support and information and introductory flights over the weekend ,the local community get really involved and the whole gambit of sport aviation gets a chance to present- don't miss it!!

Everyone this is an awesome event and Ron,Doug and Judith are going to great lengths to make this bigger and better than ever. Go Fly will be there offering training support and information and introductory flights over the weekend ,the local community get really involved and the whole gambit of sport aviation gets a chance to present- don't miss it!!

BallpointNot quite correct CASA issue binary codes with all GA aircraft which you then covert to a Hexidecimal combination of numbers & letters, total of 6 !! RA aircraft have the Hexidecimal code issued on request.

FYI The Dynon & Trig mode S transponders are approx the same cost as a mode C unit & will ' future proof' the aircraft.

 

Interesting to note that all the transponders I've installed in the last 18 months, GA & RA, are mode S.

 

Jake J

Andy- we have Trig 21's in both our Savannah and Sling

With the increasing availability of Mode S transponders, and the cost coming down we are starting to see this technology already replacing current Mode C transponders, even in RA. We have 2 aircraft fitted with Mode S devices and strongly believe in the benefits of high level ( squitter) SSR interrogation and future ADSB out capability for traffic separation. It is important to note though that Mode S requires the assignment by CASA of a unique 8 or 16 digit hexidecimal address code that identifies the unit making it compliant,and that while GA issued Cof A's will include this number,to allow programming by the instrument LAME; RA registration does not necessarily do the same. I have posed this question to both RA-Aus and CASA's registration division as to how they will streamline this process with RAD47 compliance with the increasing rollout of Mode S units in RA-Aus. Still awaiting a reply.

Thanks for this Camel, this is a far more detailed but similar explanation I outlined in my earlier post, I trust it demystifies the issue for refers of this forum and pilots and owners affected. More importantly I hope it highlights to importers and distributors their responsibility in a largely unregulated consumer market where the purchaser needs to very diligent in their purchase decisions

For Those truly interested read my post 11 - 15 - 17 on this thread , and read my posting headed http://recreationalflying.com/threads/unbelieveable.58765/ Below is a communication I had with CASA , names are taken off but anyone truly interested PM me for info. My Aircraft is 100% legal and none of this applies to me but I do feel there is a problem. I have sent this letter to a person that is actively involved in the sale of aircraft that have In flight Adjustable props as an option.

 

I am starting to wonder if Casa is interested in safety or just causing problems as now the sports aviation LSA rules are being changed in relation to constant speed and in-fight adjustable propellors. Seehttp://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/lib100159/d2p7_lsa.pdf

 

I am disappointed with the process as if things are approved then why pull the plug and change the rules unless safety is a concern. There was no standard for props then they apply one and already approved aircraft are audited.

 

http://www.raa.asn.au/2013/02/lsas-with-in-fligh-adjustable-prop/

 

I feel Casa should focus on safety, why was the standand not applied before as it was 7 years ago, why now ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

UNCLASSIFIED

 

Dear XXXXXXXXX

 

 

 

On behalf of the Director of Aviation Safety, thank you for your feedback email.

 

 

 

The issues you have raised are complex and below is some lengthy information provided by our Self Administering Sport Aviation Organisations Section. I hope it assists you.

 

 

 

 

 

The power point presentation you link to in your email is one that Mick Poole, Technical Officer SASAO, presented at the manufacturers seminar in Brisbane early last year after discovering the concerns with LSA and inflight adjustable propellers. The LSA rules have not been changed in respect to Constant speed and inflight adjustable propellers (IFAP), they are currently under increased scrutiny by SASAO.

 

 

 

When LSA was introduced to Australia in 2006 the AC that was produced (AC 21.42(1)) did not list an ASTM standard for propellers because one did not exist at that time. In 2007 an ASTM standard for fixed pitch and ground adjustable propellers was produced, and as our AC has not been revised it still does not include this standard. The reason that the ASTM standard for propellers was (and is currently) for fixed pitch and ground adjustable propellers only is that the standard was developed mainly for the USA market and FAA rules which only allow for a fixed pitch or ground adjustable propeller to be used on an LSA. There is no ASTM standarddeveloped for inflight adjustable or constant speed propellers, there are however other propeller standards available and hence the reference to the CASR and FAR standards in the power point presentation.

 

 

 

Unfortunately there is a common perception in industry that because CASA agreed that inflight adjustable propellers or constant speed propellers could be used, it didn’t matter that they did not meet a known standard. This was not CASA’s intention at all, but unfortunately the AC does not accurately reflect this.

 

 

 

Regardless of this, manufacturers are responsible for declaring under the statement of compliance that the aircraft propeller meets a known an accepted standard, however, many of these manufactures have sold aircraft to people without the aircraft meeting known and acceptable standards. Maintaining these standards was the greatest requirement for any manufacturer, unfortunately those who have chosen not to be duly diligent now have aircraft with propellers that do not meet any known or accepted standard.

 

 

 

CASA form 681, which is required to be completed by the manufacturer (copy attached), can be misleading in this respect. In the section Applicable LSA Standards of the form, it indicates the following in respect to propellers: Propeller (if applicable): the problem here is that manufacturers have not been listing a standard for the propeller because they believe that it isNot applicable. In fact for a LSA powered fixed wing aircraft the Propeller Standard IS applicable.

 

 

 

Thanks for this Camel, this is a far more detailed but similar explanation I outlined in my earlier post, I trust it demystifies the issue for refers of this forum and pilots and owners affected. More importantly I hope it highlights to importers and distributors their responsibility in a largely unregulated consumer market where the purchaser needs to very diligent in their purchase decisions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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It is because Australia is so clever. Nev

I don't understand how an aircraft can be certified under a European standard and accepted by CASA but the IFA prop has to be certified to ATSM standard.I was under the impression that the manufacturer had to approve changes to the LSA aircraft for it to remain in that category. If CASA requirement is to fit a fixed pitch prop then how does sit with the original certificate from the manufacturer? The recent spiel from the ops manager says inter alia that manufacturers cannot "cherry pick" provisions from various standards but isn't what CASA is now doing?

Billy my understanding is that it's not the certification itself, but in LSA rules the manufacturer must list a common set of standards that the aircraft conforms to. It appears that many manufacturers do not have this signed off for the prop in their statement of compliance. We gave up arguing the case and just fitted an approved fixed pitch prop on our one aircraft that was affected. One day, hopefully soon this will all be sorted out, I see Tecnam now has an approved VP PROP for the Sierra.

 

Australia is so bogged down in rules in procedures that I am sure we are oozing to a stop

Thanks everyone, Motz has hit the nail on the head... I'm not looking at doing it for a living!! Just a hobby to share my love of flying with others.Will be down your way in a couple weeks again Motz, checking out a couple of things. I'll let you know when I'm there and we might be able to catch up.

 

Thanks again for your support.