Teckair

I think something more than the pilot landed short has happened to cause this. I can't see how anyone flying that plane could not work out they going to be short and fail to do something about it. Watching it again looks/sounds like they put the power on a bit and then messed up the landing maybe this pilot needs to go back flight school?

Why I always did glide approaches. Which in turn is how I survived a lot of engine failures (probably about 20). 

A lot of pilots use Oz-Runways with their iPads. Maybe a big red warning should flash up if it detects that a pilot is going to bust last light.

 

Probably better to do a flight plan. Do people even do that anymore? If someone needs Oz-Runways to tell them when they will run out daylight they should not leave the circuit area.

It's not hard to imagine GPS and glass cockpit might be miss used in some cases. I wouldn't be surprised if RAAus is coming to grips with this right now. 

Don’t know how it works, might just as well be magic, but if I ever get into a sticky situation (unlikely because I am your archetypal wussy pilot!) this is what I want in my cockpit!

 

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Can't help but think as good as that looks it might give some people a false sense of security. I really don't think that would be a great back up plan. 

No. On his way South from Innisfail to Dysart. Landed at Ingham due to Weather and crashed it whilst  landing.

 

Jason

 

Thanks for that can't explain how I got confused about that.

On his way north to Dysart but crashes at Ingham???

Ultra-lights are not all equipped with battery power. So glass panels are not self powered for them.

 

spacesailor

 

Yes I understand where you are coming from I started flying in the eighties. 

Thanks guys will have to look at this on the big screen. 

I have all of that and more on the Dynon Skyview in my CH701 including something called ‘synthetic vision’ I have no idea how that works but when I line up on the piano keys I not only have the view from the windscreen, but the runway, piano keys and runway number are displayed on the screen.

 

Wow thanks for that. 

I am a bit out of touch with this can a glass cockpit include things such as AH, HI and GPS? If so are these being found in RAAus aircraft? 

discussed elsewhere

 

Fuel at last stop is v expensive, and AC heavy with 2 pax, there were two aircraft, one landed just in front, PAL on, pilot called Mayday, Pax in this aircraft was wife of one in front

 

Very sad

 

For me this changes things, big impact no fire. Two flying at night wouldn't want to be trying to explain that one to the investigators. 

I think it has more to do with self disipline than training if people can't work out not to fly in the dark they shouldn't be flying. Gethereitus is deadly.

Many years ago a mate of mine  went to Lightning Ridge from Newcastle and ended up in a duststorm with strong headwinds. Duststorms make it dark as well and he eventually saw headlight s on the Coonamble- Walgett road  (I think it was so) decided to land on the road in poor vis and fading light .Late in the flare he had to do a pullup due to a cattle grid  appearing suddenly and it stalled and the wheels came up through the  lower wings when it fell to the road,. pretty much writing it off. It was a lovely Hornet Moth. Sort of like a cabin side by side Tiger moth.  A couple of crates of eggs were onboard and not one was broken. Someone came along in a land Rover and they got a rope around the tailwheel and pulled it into the bush. away from the passing traffic .Next bit of bad luck was the insurance hadn't been renewed and had expired a week or so before.  In this instance  I don't think the dust was forecast . and it wasn't a last light problem.. The plane wasn't fast enough to outrun the dust .Nev

 

Yes that one was bad luck but he still survived so I think he got it right. 

I don't get it, I ran out of daylight once due to poor planning and complications, we finished up in a paddock while there was still enough light to do so. I only did that once. This is the second time two people have died doing this that I know of. It's like people think it can't happen to them she'll be right mate we'll manage some how.

This appears to be the height of stupidity going on the reports. Wouldn't want to be that pilot.

Donald Trump said pretty much the same thing. (I actually don't mind The Donald. Unlike GWB, he didn't start an illegal war and kill 500 000 civilians and counting. And unlike Hillary, he is capable of intimidating China.) 

It’s confirmed - Aircraft ran out of fuel. 

Jabiru have just put a post on their Facebook page ( I tried to cut and paste but doesn’t want to work. )

 

aircraft had had insufficient fuel for the flight. They have the aircraft wreck at Jabiru. 

The Queensland Country Life report clearly states he crashed before Mundubberra in the Auburn State Forest, which is about 10nm to the south-west of the town. From this crash location, it looks like he was trying to make Gayndah, about 28 nm to the East, where there is fuel.

What I found with the J170 is that it was very difficult to get an accurate fuel volume. The gauges were not accurate enough for flight planning and there were no datum tabs, so I cut a piece of dowel for a dip. The wing tanks were separate from the skins and wing structure so height was small, while length was big. 

On the slightest slope one side would dip low and the other high. If you did a second dip in reverse you could work out how many liters gross were in there. The second problem was if you filled both tanks at night for an early morning flight, even on a slight slope one tank would drain significantly. It was manageable but if someone was new to these tanks he/she could be very easily be caught out on a cross country trip.

With fuel starvation the motor tends not to stop dead like that. I would like to know where that report came from. Things about this don't sound right.

Fuel starvation isn’t necessarily fuel exhaustion.

kaz

ERSA doesn’t show any fuel available at Mundubbera. Maybe he felt he had no choice but to push on and hope he could reach Bundaberg. 

I heard he landed at Mundubbera and the motor stopped shortly after take off fuel starvation makes no sense to me. If he took off with almost empty tanks to go to Bundaberg then what the!!

I still see the little coloured flags on airplane RC flyers.

denoting the "channel" in use.

 

Or frequency

 

spacesailor