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And which part of that post was incorrect?

Wow, so many stupid comments it's embarrassing, clearly you don't have to be smart to fly a plane.

You are required to do 5 hours solo to get your pilot cert.

The first solo test after completion of a successful written test ,,YES must be conducted in the aircraft type in which you train ,,,BUT any solo flying the restricted pilots certificate holder conducts after that can be in any aircraft within the group he trained be that single seat or two seater so you are wrong there as a restricted pilots certificate should be issued by Raa after completion of successful first solo,,,,so any solo training I do after that including circuits and bumps and small trips within 25 nmof my home strip can be conducted legally and cheaper than being shafted by greedy cfi,s who would like to make you think otherwise and take you for 160/200 hr

You cannot legally fly a 9510 without a pilot cert something is defiantly wrong here if it has been reported correctly.

Richard, I`m not doubting what you have said but let`s be clear on this; Someone does His/Her training in a FoxBat, LightWing, Jabiru or any other type of AC that`s out there these days, they go solo in the particular aircraft, obtain a pilot certificate then go and legally fly any number of currently registered 95-10 aircraft...Is that correct?Does " Any solo flying" mean, while they are under instruction or any solo flight after obtaining a pilot certificate?

 

Frank.

Any solo training prior to receiving the pilot cert has to be done in the same type of plane the dual training was done. And that was not negotiable.

If your post is prompted by me I’ll clarify - if you have a pilot certificate with no cross country and no radio in group A there is absolutely nothing in the ops manual to stop a pilot getting into a single seat group A aircraft and flying within the limits of the certificate. In addition you can then use that Single seater under CFI supervision to do the solo navs - you are a student and a certificate holder and you are within the ops manual very clearly.

That is what I was talking of in my post to explain how it was actually possible for a solo nab student to be in a single seat aircraft.

 

I’d have to check current ops manual again on student solo flight under supervision before initial certificate issue because I’ve not worried about that for nearly 20 years since I was in that position.

How are we supposed to know what you were told?People are "told" a lot of things that are not actually in the rules, because the person telling thinks it's a good idea. So if it's a rule, it is helpful to actually quote the rule rather than what someone told you - even if it was the ops manager.

 

It seems more likely that the ops manual authors took the view that part of authorizing student solo would be evaluating the aircraft type, and that instructors were capable of using their own judgement. There may be instances where 2 types are very similar so additional training is not required. There would also be cases where the type is the same, but there are differences (e.g. equipment) that would require extra training. If an instructor can't be trusted to make the judgement they shouldn't be sending students solo IMHO.

 

In this case, one news report said that the student had passed the test but needed additional hours. Maybe they were clocking up hours for the passenger endorsement?

I don't make the rules up just saying what they are.

If you trained in a C150 do you think anyone would let you fly a Tiger Moth?

On the TV there was a photo of the student in front of a Jabiru if he did dual training in that and was allowed to go solo in the Flightstar then that would be a serious problem.

As a CFI I was told a student who did not yet have a pilot certificate has to do any solo flying in an aircraft the same as they had done their dual training in. And that it was not negotiable.

For those who don't believe me ring the OPS manager.

I find it astonishing that no one seems to know this.

I agree with you and wouldn’t dream of doing it but do you have a reference from the ops manual that specifically prohibits this. I’m looking but haven’t found it yet.

Yes, but can an instructor send a student solo in a single seat aircraft? By definition the student couldn’t have flown the type before with the instructor.

You can fly solo as a student under supervision of an instructor. In fact it is a requirement of the training.

I always find it hard to see a crash like this in what looks like a clear area where a survivable out landing could have been made.

You can't legally fly a single seater with out a pilot certificate.

From taxi entry on 02 (southern end) to the crash point is 1138 metres......Would have thought he would be well high by then?

There will be more to this crash than has been said.

True, unless you could arrange for it to have zero groundspeed. Nev

That is a good news story a drifter can be landed almost anywhere.

You to Frank and good luck with the cyclone season we all might need it.

G`Day Richard ........Because of your post, I`ve taken the time to go back through all of the previous posts, in case I missed something...I can`t find anything that anyone has said, that to my way of thinking, is making fun of the pilot or the accident...What have I missed, if anything?

 

B.P. You`re not going to be a, "closet reader," are you? .

 

Frank.

I'm quite sad to hear you say that Ausstork, firstly, I do not believe that ANY commenter on this thread has made fun of the pilot.

Whether there's $1k or $100K damage, the only thing that is going to change anything is whether or not you can have a joke and a laugh about it.

Cracking a big wobbly wont do anything to help anything at all..

Why are we becoming a nation of precious upstarts that cant even tolerate a bit of humour?

No-one was even poking fun at the pilot, they were just having a joke about what the media said..

Hell, I've had divorces that cost way more than that, and all you can do to stay sane is joke about it.

I wasn't going to bother to reply to this post but decided to after seeing how many people approve of this type of behaviour which I think is a sad reflection on the quality of this thread. Surely you could find something that is actually funny to make jokes about?

There could easily be 30k of damage to the plane it is impossible to tell from that photo to say otherwise is an assumption based on nothing. However you could buy another one for less than that. I suggest you request the contact details so you guys can make your donations.