Happyflyer

I think what is being missed here is we have a commercial pilot that has a record of wheels up landings, maybe there is a problem, maybe the pilot is human. What would Alan Joyce say to his pilots if they had mobile phones hooked up to his aeroplanes ?

Most pilots with a Bluetooth headset will be linked to a phone at times. Very handy for AWIS, notifying change of arrival times and many other things.

Not wanting to throw more mud at this pilot but I think the second wheels up landing that is being spoken about here is this pilots first one which according to my colleagues in the workshop happened over in south Australia years ago, same type of aeroplane, C337, doing fish spotting, wheels up landing.I know if I made two serious mistakes at work like this, my boss would sack me. On the spot !!

Maybe this commercial pilots license should be reviewed, what is going to be his next mistake ? select an empty fuel tank on take off with the phone ringing leaving say Essendon airport.

From the RAAus accident summaries. Well done RAAus for the timely info.

Summary: As the student applied full power and we started to conduct the take-off roll on runway 17, there was a slight crosswind from the left, student did not use correct crosswind technique. The nose of the plane started to veer to the left. At this stage the instructor started to take control of the aeroplane, applied right rudder to straighten the nose. At the same time, the student applied back pressure on the controls, over rotated, and resulted in tail strike. Instructor tried to push the control forward to regain control of the aircraft. However, the student had frozen on the controls. The aircraft gained height, but due to high nose attitude, the aircraft stalled and the left wing dropped. As the wing dropped it clipped the ground, which spun the plane 180 degrees and nosedived into the ground.

He didn't take a phone call he said the ringing of the phone distracted him.

Just watched the report you quote Camel.

It does not say this pilot has done this before. Listen again carefully. It says this incident will not be investigated despite a similar incident at Broome that was investigated. It does not say this pilot was involved. If I was you I would be very careful before making allegations on a public forum unless you are very sure of your facts.

Perhaps a checklist before posting?

Investigation: 199700429 - Wheels up landing involving a Cessna Aircraft Company 210L, VH-SKQ, Karratha, Aerodrome, WA on 15 February 1997[/url]Only atsb report I could find. Seems if this was the incident there is no way you can blame the pilot for this one.

So what happened at Karratha Camel? Did he forget or was it a malfunction?

Nathan, I think he might have had to self report because he put an aircraft on its belly at a public airport with a Federal minister on board!

Camel, what happened at Karratha?

Two wheels up landings is not just a minor error ! You are rude and very forgiving of a commmercial pilot with 9000 hours ! Commercial pilots are taught discipline ! Private pilotes are taught disapline ! Commmercial pilots are meant to have a very high experience and disapline ! Two of the same mistakes is not good ! You give him a break and you fly with him ! I wouldn't for all the tea in China !

I think like OME said having the atsb investigate an equipment failure is understandable but why on earth would you expect them to investigate something that is so obviously pilot induced? As it is the atsb doesn't have enough resources to investigate all our Raa fatals so why would we even wish them to investigate something so obvious?

And he was a PPL.

Some of you guys are being very harsh on a fellow pilot. We have judge, jury and executioners here. He won't be the first nor the last, no one was hurt. Hopefully he'll go on and have a great career, like this guy did:

QAM - The Last Landing of Mirage A3-16

I do think that as this was a commercial operation carrying a passenger the ATSB should have investigated, but just because they haven't, doesn't mean CASA won't get into him in their own good time.

That is for GA and SAA aircraftIf in RAA and you build a recognised kit like a Savannah or a Rans etc there is not that requirement. Anything you design and intend to fly then thats a whole different matter

Are you not supposed to fly a series of flights to document performance throughout the flight envelope as part of your 25 hrs? Probably not the best idea for a student pilot who has just gone solo. I also thought the pilot flying off the hours had to be named and authorised in the documentation. Would RAAus authorise a student pilot for this?

Not sure about ICOM but with the Garmin SL40 when you choose to monitor the standby frequency, the main frequency always takes priority when both are receiving. It would not be safe otherwise.

If you are worried about RPT mode C displays on TCAS, no need for mode S.

Any RAAus aircraft can be self maintained if you have an L1 authorisation and the aircraft is not used in a flying school.

That was still a fair rotation rate well after the chute went out though!

All ctaf's require radio?An expansion from 10 to 20 miles means those previously flying without one, outside the 10 mile limit, may now need to purchase and use one.....

I think that CASA have listened for once and I agree with the proposal and have taken the trouble to tell them so in the survey. Apparently they have expanded the CTAF area to 20 miles to cover IFR approaches. Now we just have to make the calls on 126.7 more professional and not have Bill, Bob and Mary discuss personal issues on that frequency. Generally if I've got a bit of distance to cover I go high and listen on area anyway.

I did indeed and I even went as far as reading the next clause: "... and every year for pilots over 60 years of age".

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The only post that could be taken to be in bad taste in my opinion is post #10 where the pilot is called a"cocky rooster" who has had his wings clipped. An attempt at humour I suppose because he landed near a poultry farm.

Cockpit, joystick and flaps also have to go.

Interesting but fake.

I believe if hours have been done in a light VH reg plane, say a Gazelle or Jabiru then competency is acceptable rather than min 5 hours of which some can be observed solo ! This was my understanding of ops manual ! Correct me if I’m wrong ! Just my understanding !

The above is correct. You will also need to do the RAA theory exams and flight review.Ramjet- I have heard of too many pilots that started PPL training and after many-many hours and $$$$ have not even Solo-ed. Seems like some schools just milk recreational ‘PPL’ students. I am thinking of converting to PPL, but would not even know where to start looking for a GA school. I don’t want to pay for a low time istructor that is building hours, my time and money is too valuable for that!