Xavier Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Hi All, trying to get some info on the aircraft requirements to do the Controlled Aerodrome Endorsement and the Controlled Airspace Endorsement I transferred my RaAus Certificated to an RPL with Navigation and Radio Endorsement and now it's time for the CTA Endorsement. CASA Form 61-1RE required : - Holds a flight radio endorsement with at least a valid ICAO Level 4 Aviation English Language Proficiency - Pass in the aeronautical knowledge examination for the endorsement - Completed flight training for the endorsement My question is, can the flight training be done in a factory build RA-Aus aircraft (with transponder) or does it has to be done in a VH aircraft ? Cheers, Xavier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian00798 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 VH registered unfortunately, as stupid as it may seem. RPL training in your case would have to be done under a part 141 training school approval, which means GA instructors with GA aircraft. Also I believe the endorsement has to be issued by a grade 2 instructor or higher, although I'm not 100% certain of that. Since it's an endorsement, not a rating, it doesn't require a flight test as such, you just have to demonstrate competence. I would suggest it might be a good time to chuck in a retractable and CSU endorsement as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TopEnd Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 GA instructor okay in an RAAUS plane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnewbery Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 With regard to post #3 you can only get credit for common syllabus items. Otherwise the training and examination must be as per part 141 or 142 etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Juliet Whiskey Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 trying to get some info on the aircraft requirements to do the Controlled Aerodrome Endorsement and the Controlled Airspace Endorsement Hi guys,could someone point the way to more information regarding these two endorsements please. Navigating the CASA website is next to impossible and I cant find any detailed information. Also, if one obtains these endorsements, can you fly an ra-aus aircraft through controlled airspace? I have NOWRA military airspace active just south of me with a GA lane, but currently need clearance to fly through it. Was hoping to get one of these endorsements so i can fly through it in a Jabiru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnewbery Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 This question has been done to death. This is not advice but if it was me I would be talking to my instructor about my part 61 licence and endorsements and the specific plane I plan to fly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Juliet Whiskey Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 This question has been done to death. This is not advice but if it was me I would be talking to my instructor about my part 61 licence and endorsements and the specific plane I plan to fly Talked to three different instructors yesterday at three different flight schools and got three different answers. Looking for some official information because it seems no one really knows, and probably the reason this question has been done to death 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 My only recollection, for what it's worth, is the candidate will provide a "suitable" aeroplane for the test and that would have been IFR instrumented for whatever aids you wanted on your licence. There would be a presumption of it being GA with TSO'd instrumentation, radios etc. ALL this stuff should be clearly spelled out somewhere. It may well not be so I'm not inferring it's anyone's fault but that of whoever's job it is to FACILITATE getting things done. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnewbery Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 In answer to the second part of the question... The bit about going through the Nowra when it is active. If the plane you are going to fly has been to Canberra or any other class C airspace, then it will be acceptable. A J170 from a flying school with a certified altimeter and Mode C transponder (and the certification period is still valid) will be ok. That is in part 95.24. The pilot needs to have a valid current part 61 licence. ALSO if the PIC is on a part 61 RPL they need to already have had CTR endorsement for transit and CTA endorsement for landing at a controlled aerodrome as applicable to the mission 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Juliet Whiskey Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Thanks mate... I'll check out those references. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Thanks mate... I'll check out those references. The transponder needs to have been calibrated to enter Class C control , it's called RAD 43-47 I think from memory and done every two years ! Correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnewbery Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 I should have mentioned Mode C or Mode S but yes there will be a test and validity date for the pitot static system (altitude and airspeed) and the transponder. Its a minor detail that will appear in the aircraft log. Normally this isn't in the plane. CAO 20.18 paragraph 9 gives some clues about the need to have a servicable transponder in class C airspace. Side note: inspection is annual but calibration is 24 months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_daniels Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 I can not find anything in the act or regs that states what registration a aircraft have to be, to do flight training or endorsement, My understanding there is nothing stopping you from doing flying in a VH, overseas, or Raa registration aircraft, May be as Raa aircraft in not a reconnaissance as a Australia aircraft, be cos it not on the Australia casa register. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnewbery Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Not training. Flying into or through controlled airspace. But yes Daniel you are correct regarding the training. It just won't count as valid unless part 141 is followed with regard to a part 61 licence. It may count as aeronautical experience only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_daniels Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Unless I am missing it, in part 141 an 61 does not state what registration a aircraft have to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpacro Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Unless I am missing it, in part 141 an 61 does not state what registration a aircraft have to be Training must be done by a Part 141/142 school therefore it does limit the registration etc - read the Ops Manual of the school. The training must be done per a syllabus in that CASA-accepted Ops Manual. Part 61 is very specific as to the registration of aircraft it applies to. (just my opinion from having spent much time looking at these rules a while back so relying on my faulty memory too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyflyer Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Part 61.007 states part 61 applies to "registered aircraft". CASA do not regard RAAus aircraft as "registered". So if you are training for a CTA endorsement issued under Part 61 they require you and the instructor to use an aircraft also authorised under Part 61 I guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_daniels Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Can you do a flight review for RPL in a overseas registered aircraft, or does it only have to be Australia registered aircraft. Can you back your answer up, a opinion does not mean much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpacro Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Maybe, depends ... see 61.400 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyflyer Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 When a GA flight review is done, form 61-9FR is submitted. Where you have to put the aircraft rego number, CASA have helpfully put the first two letters.... "VH". I thinks that's a hint as to what aircraft you have to do the flight review in. https://www.casa.gov.au/file/139841/download?token=ZO8rOlgV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_daniels Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Ok, if the regulations are written from the act, and in the act there is a definition of what is an airplane, and makes no mention of a VH, Raa, or any type of registration it would be fair to say putting VH or any prefix is/would be incorrect. My understanding is that any regulation must be backed up by an Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGL Fox Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Talked to three different instructors yesterday at three different flight schools and got three different answers. Looking for some official information because it seems no one really knows, and probably the reason this question has been done to death And it seems we still have confusion...I want an RPL but I don't need CTA...no interested in that, I just want be able to fly the heavier RV... David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsam Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 My 24 rego aircraft is fully CTA,CTR compliant. Indeed, I have legally been in CTA in my aircraft but I needed to have a PPL in the left seat, to meet CASA requirements that discriminate against RPC owners like myself. RA-Aus currently has a submission with CASA to establish a CTA/CTR pilot endorsement pathway wholly within RA-Aus (possibly approved by mid 2017 some have tipped) Until this is approved, I would otherwise be required to spend $$ in some random VH aircraft getting a CASA RPL, only to exercise CTA privileges back in my own aircraft!! This madness has been the case for some time, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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