turboplanner

That's how the spin was going, but it was spin

Matt and Dazza. It's important that you do read the history and maybe talk to some of the people involved.

There's absolutely no point is supporting something if it's going to mean you can't fly there on the grounds of safety and cost.

Well if it isn't our old mate Futura back to haunt us.

I notice he started a new thread after lapsing into silence on the main one.

It doesn't surprise me one little bit that the plans don't give aviators much joy.

I wish the great Professor Kasarda well, but his Aerotropolis concept has very little to do with aircraft and a lot to do with packing development and profit around existing facilities (which usually offer cheap land and big spaces.)

That the big spaces are there for safety reasons usually goes straight over the heads of the developers involved.

Call me a country yokel, but when I look at the Southern Distribution Hub website I see an Industrial Development Project.

And I don't see the Metroliner as the bulk freight carrier of tomorrow.

The words "Distribution Hub" are also interesting.

The critical ingredient which forms a freight hub is a demand for equal volumes of freight moving in and out.

Simple, I know, but without that ingredient the area is just a destination, and lack of backloading financially cripples the carrier.

I couldn't see a Kenworth operator paying half a million dollars for a truck which carried goods to Goulburn but had to run home empty.

On a bigger scale, many shipping companies around the world are currently looking at what is going to replace the Post Panamax ships - the ones that Port Phillip Bay was dredged for.

opjne likely scenario is that long ocean routes will be handled by much bigger Hubbing ships, but these would hub from Singapore because Australia just doesn't have the two way volume.

Take a look at a map, see where Goulburn is and judge for yourself.

"But we'll make a fortune out of 'em when they front here late Sept" responded Shintaro "We'll humour them while they eat out tucka, and then we'll retire to the Liverrand, get mallied, settle down, have some nipppers of our own, and build a prane. It will be a ....................."

".....Rots" he said, then we can bag anyone.

How did your day go Squirty?

Yes, surprising how many Australians are badly injured in the US also just after they arrive. They look right, then step out and splat!

This will be a problem with cars - I was in japan earlier this year and the hybrids are really growing in number - beautiful smooth takeoff and very quiet. The'll be particularly dangerous on City corners where a lot of pedestrians rely on the sound.

Yes, don't tell anyone I said that

"....had no time for people who got beaten and always blamed their engines"

Go and ask Eugene how come he stuffed up the CTA entry. That should relieve the boredom for the rest of the afternoon.

Never mind Qwerty, you can buy lovely little RC electic helicopters and fly them inside now.

"We'll do the same thing" said a local Aussie manufacturer and updated their manual to read as follows "Listen you blokes. Stop dicking around with our engines or we'll rip your bloody arms orf. We are sick of drongoes, amateurs and old bike mechanics changing stuff and blaming us. This is not a CB250. We get the blame even when some dill has a prop strike 250 hrs before the engine has a bit of a whoopsy. Anyone caught being a dork and doing this will be ........."

..."castrated" continued Mr Aussie in the Aussie way.

I've been up the Bunya Highway to Wondai, Wondai, had a caravan wheel bearing fail there late one night.

Rather than pose a broad Dorothy Dixer like this, it would be better for you to select a club, then sort out your specific program with the Instructor.

Just had a look at the BOM site Qwerty and they said it's going to be the same where you are for six months!

never mind, we'll think of you.

"That's me, maaaate" piped up Nobb "As I was an apprentice at the Honda factory when old man Honda was a nipper, and before they designed that fine aircraft called the .................

"....Rots.

"Rots originally had Jabaloo engine, but Carburettor settings all wrong, Timing wrong too. They sirry peoples at Jabaloo.

"Change settings same as Kawasaki Mach III, takoof much shorter, sound much better, but but three Jabaloo engine in, all fail soon.

"So put Rotary Axe In. Instructions say don't touch nothing!.

"Engine rast much ronger, therefore Rotary Axe better that Jabaloo."

"I think Oprah is hot" said Acki "And I'd not only rike to rearn about her, but I'm an exprorer too. I wonder if she would .......?"

"come to Cowla Fry In as main entertainer"

"Good idea" said Taka " but not enough pirots say they are going yet" he said "Although Lat may pay her fee.

"She not come to Cowla for you Aki, she too busy talking to American dlug addicts."

"How long are you likely to be stuck in Bangholme listening to the Pranner bang-on?" asked Acki. "I reckon it'll be ............

"...a couple of days. He's teaching me how to sing."

"Lat, why do you want to rern how to sing" asked Aki

"I don't said the Rat, but Turbo said if I can't keep an engine in the Jabaloo for more than 400 hours I may as well learn opera".

I am getting conflicting accounts with most saying it's pilot inability/lack of training that causes recovery probs.

Plane down near Clyde in Victoria - PPRuNe Forums

If you're interested, it's worth doing some google digging on the history of this aircraft.

The most common story is that Kaiser started it, Hughes came in and because he was such a perfectionist and meddked in everything, couldn't get it finished in time and the prject was cancelled.

The real story is much more intersting. He hired a team of aviation engineers to break boundaries that had never been broken before.

Such a large structure required totally new techniques, and they collaborated with the top wartime British engineers to come up with a laminated wood which was lighter, but stronger, than aluminium.

There were benefits for both the British aircraft industry and Hughes as the breakthroughs allowed the aircraft to be built.

The cotrol system was another huge breakthrough. The flying surfaces were so large that it wasn't possible to get mechanical leverages that weren't beyond a pilot's strength, so they knew they had to use hydraulics. The big breakthrough came when they invented a method of getting feedback from the control surfaces to the pilot's hands.

Much of the engineering solutions on that aircraft transferred to others used for passenger transport, and it's interesting to see that even today, we haven't really gone much further in size.

Just imagine the mag checks on 8 engines, and remembering the cowl flaps etc!

I have seen what happens to people on this forum that don't like Jabirus so I'm expecting to cop it

I'll be happy to swap a couple of days bad weather for the GPS that packed it in this morning 200nm east of Broome.. GRRR Avmaps and avmap mounts. lol

I'll take the rain! Looks like hard work, after a quick Google earth look.

You could try Tamworth Qwerty. Dum de Dum's a good start, you just need the high heel boots.

Yes, the GA guys are just as frustrated at the present parlous situation. The almost fanatical campaign to split the two camps seems to have dried up momentarily, and people are beginning to see the common problem.

Funny you should mention RAA and AOPA, Ozzie. Both were given an opportunity to do something about this a couple of years ago.

Neither responded.

I need at least 30 RAA and 30 GA people from around Australia to get some momentum on the original subject. (prepared to take part in some co-ordinated communication, and prepared to stick with it over some time)

You can see from the above discussions how local solutions just leave us being pushed further out.

Well I wouldn't want to be a concurrent wrongdoer - this was certainly written for the $380.00 per hour plus luncheon brigade.