Deskpilot Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Found this this morning. It looks familiar. Certainly a very nice play thing. If only.......... http://www.blackshapeaircraft.com/blackshape.php?pag=prime-gallery 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 nice, expensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Yep, that's the Millennium Master...he sold out to a business group who have rebadged it...100litre tank, Melb to Brisbane at 150 knots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OwenC Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 I had a play with the website posted. 120 knots is 222 kmh so 225kmh is close enough. That would just get it to Brisbane with reserves in tact from Melbourne departure. 143 knots is 265 kmh and it wouldnt not make it to Brisbane at that speed. I really wish the correct information would be used when quoting performance information on aircraft as people like me who are looking to buy a new aircraft have trouble sorting fact from fiction. I heard that the MM was started by a show visitor last year in Germany and they were asked to leave the show as it should not have had and fuel in the tanks. I also heard that the MM company went under financially because they were promised a large number of sales in certain countries and those sales fell through on empty promises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Owen, did you select the 100litre tank option when you were doing your calcs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deskpilot Posted December 10, 2011 Author Share Posted December 10, 2011 nice, expensive? Yep, too expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 What's the price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 What's the price? I found a price on the net of $135 000 Euro for basic model.Not sure how current it is though.I guess around $200 000 Aussie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howard Hughes Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 It's very very nice, but I don't know that it's 200 big ones nice... Just did the sums, only $180k, but still probably about $30-50k too much to be popular in Oz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Longden Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 ....."affordable flying".... not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 now where near the fuel economy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 I better add that the price of $135 000 is apparently the base model (Analogue Gauges).Start add adding deluxe package (Glass, leather seats etc.) The price is going to head North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 When I went to Europe I specifically went to have a look at the Millennium Master and the Dyn Aero aircraft...both expensive aircraft but extremely well made, both of them and rock solid...you just need to look at the retract gear on the master to know that and seeing the Dyn Aero being put together, well that is one good aircraft...but as I said, both are expensive. The same could be said about cars, there are cars and there are well built cars, with a price tag to match. Here is the thread on my Europe trip with pictures: http://www.recreationalflying.com/threads/my-trip-to-europe.3077/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Here are some more reference threads on the Master and my Europe trip: http://www.recreationalflying.com/threads/the-millennium-project.3095/ http://www.recreationalflying.com/threads/the-mcr-range-of-aircraft.4235/ http://www.recreationalflying.com/threads/beta-kits-started.3767/ http://www.recreationalflying.com/threads/the-latest-update-on-the-master.3963/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 This is my favourite picture that I took of it...the prototype: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howard Hughes Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Did you get the Beta kit? Has it been assembled? Has it flown? Any news of certification in Oz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 No Mate...a little issue about money...and not having enough of it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 When I went to Europe I specifically went to have a look at the Millennium Master and the Dyn Aero aircraft...both expensive aircraft but extremely well made, both of them and rock solid...you just need to look at the retract gear on the master to know that and seeing the Dyn Aero being put together, well that is one good aircraft...but as I said, both are expensive. The same could be said about cars, there are cars and there are well built cars, with a price tag to match.Here is the thread on my Europe trip with pictures: http://www.recreationalflying.com/threads/my-trip-to-europe.3077/ So true, You will probably not find a better LSA aircraft.I agree if I was a wealthy, I would buy one.Its looks like a little PC 9. Like everything in life, you get what you pay for.Top quality and it costs.It is a fantastic looking machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howard Hughes Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 No Mate...a little issue about money...and not having enough of it Sounds familiar! There's always one of these... http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1455276 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litespeed Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Bugger the price............................I have no money anyway. I will have one and a MCR for touring as well as a Silence Twister for aero fun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OwenC Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I checked the 100 litre option and it still will not make the distance that has been quoted. Nobody with that amount of funds would want to pay that for a tandem seating aircraft. This aircraft has a limited future in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howard Hughes Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I checked the 100 litre option and it still will not make the distance that has been quoted. According to my calculations, from Sydney you can make Rockhampton, Birdsville, Adelaide, Hobart and Lord Howe Island? How much range do you need/want? Your bladder would give out before your fuel tanks! PS: Tandem seating has it's advantages, wife in back, intercom off! Hang on a minute, will I still be in slapping distance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I personally like tandem, I find it nicer to be sitting on the aircrafts centre line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I read somewhere that 90% of GA flying is alone. Certainly hasn't hurt van's aircraft sales to offer tandem kits as people want them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossie Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 According to my calculations, from Sydney you can make Rockhampton, Birdsville, Adelaide, Hobart and Lord Howe Island? How much range do you need/want? Your bladder would give out before your fuel tanks!PS: Tandem seating has it's advantages, wife in back, intercom off! Hang on a minute, will I still be in slapping distance? The misses's bladder will .... Say 77kgs each person, that only leaves 20 odd kgs of fuel available, staying under MTOW. There'll be plenty of stops along the way to cop an earful....except YLHI.... One up, and that thing looks awesome.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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