M61A1 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Final report on Heli into pub occurrence.... https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/aircraft-accident-report-aar-3-2015-g-spao-29-november-2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ozzie Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Read this a couple weeks ago. Pretty strange mind set from such an experienced pilot. I remember something similar with a CQ Rescue helicopter about 15 years ago when he crashed in foggy conditions after running out of fuel and suffering a heart attack at the same time. Report indicated the mind set of completing the mission regardless off what else is going on at the time weather, aural and visual warnings or even the stress it creates leading to things like the heart attack. Humans strange creatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdseye Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Human factors, mind set, para-military operations.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunder Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 The low fuel 1 and low fuel 2 warning captions, and their associated audio attention-getters, had been triggered and acknowledged, after which, the flight had continued beyond the 10-minute period specified in the Pilot’s Checklist Emergency and Malfunction Procedures. Seems like after acknowledgment the alarms stopped? Maybe the second alarm should remain "on" and only stop after the fuel level has risen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 The low fuel 1 and low fuel 2 warning captions, and their associated audio attention-getters, had been triggered and acknowledged, after which, the flight had continued beyond the 10-minute period specified in the Pilot’s Checklist Emergency and Malfunction Procedures.Seems like after acknowledgment the alarms stopped? Maybe the second alarm should remain "on" and only stop after the fuel level has risen. If you read the full report, the low fuel warning had alarmed and been acknowledged 5 times and was on when the engines flamed out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ozzie Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Even the crew knew what was happening and never spoke up. Makes you wonder what sort of person the pilot was. Maybe had a history of total authoritarian type personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Hard to know how you will really behave under extreme stress conditions. You can simulate as many times as you like but till it happens you never know how you will react. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 Hard to know how you will really behave under extreme stress conditions. You can simulate as many times as you like but till it happens you never know how you will react. Nev An anecdote from an instructor.....the student was of middle eastern decent, had practiced many autorotations, when they had an actual engine failure, the student folded his arms and said (roughly translated)"it is the will of Allah". The instructor had other ideas and conducted a safe autorotation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZoos Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Wow, what a bunch of absolute mess ups...cant believe that even happened... seems deliberate or completely reckless at the very least 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 With usable fuel still in the main tank and both transfer pumps switched off, I wonder if it could have been something as simple as stuffing up the on off direction of the switches and convincing oneself that there was definately fuel left and transfers were on so must be faulty indicators? I thought the lack of an autorotation was a bit weird but it was nearly midnight so was dark and it states once second engine went out that they would've lost altitude info so even with city lights height perception would be difficult and it wouldn't be hard to think you were going through ground rush when actually you were at the ground or top of building height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 The alternators run off the main rotor gearbox, if autorotation is achieved, the ac power remains on. There are also a set of steam standby primary instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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