Interesting interview with Graham Hood in the Senate.

[planedriver]

https://www.facebook.com/malcolmrobertsonenation/videos/814842984023733/?fs=e&mibextid=wwXIfr&rdid=TZRAdhAGA5R1kFdt#

[facthunter]

March 2024?   Read the Comments???   Nev

[skippydiesel]

There is a big problem with Captain Hoods approach;

• I would trust him to do the pre-flight walk around and any other pilot duty.
• I would not trust him to make authoritative comments on any medical matter, especially in the field of Virology.
• While he is a powerful persuasive narrator, he is just not qualified to to speak on the subject he is advocating.
• His logic can be reversed ; Passenger seeing an emergency situation, takes Captain Hood to task over the decisions he is making to save the aircraft.........................................?????

I agree without any reservation - The Australian Government(s) are no where near as transparent as a democracy should be. As a result I and many others believe them to be ethically bankrupt. Unfortunatly they are all we have and we must accept their management when urgency demands.

 

CV19  was  (possibly still is?) a pandemic - URGENT situaton. I am sure that corners were cut - you cant do a risk assessment when the building is collapsing around you. AstraZeneca is no longer used. I am sure it injured many, it likly saved many more. This is called a cost benefit analysis.

 

The reality is, any sensible person will take whatever seems to be the safest rout at the time. Anti Vaxxers are not sensible people. Worse they put the greater population at risk by their actions & their hysterical fact free proselytising.

 

FACT -

Almost anything you put into your body, can cause an adverse reaction, even unto death. Some know their risk - they have an allergic reaction to ????. Most of us do not know, so take a risk every time we eat/drink/take a tablet (of any kind) or have a medical procedure and yet we do it WHY? Simply because the majority have not adverse reaction - the numbers are on our side.

 

It is highly likly that Captain Hood has reached his advanced age, through the intervention/application of science. Now that he has only a few years left he questions the very system that got him to where he is.

 

I am a great believer in individual expression and determination BUT not at the risk to the greater population - this is what Anti Vaxxers are doing. 

 

If I were in power; I would legislate against Anti Vaxxers being involved with all health & child care, would strictly limit their movements in a pandemic. If parents unwilling to vaccinate their children - remove the children from their irresponsible lack of care.😈

[BurnieM]

He is not an anti-Vaxxer.

Amongst other things he is supporting people with vaccine induced injuries.

 

The real problem we had was that many senior state/federal government medical officers with medical qualifications made statements based on what pharma companies told them that have now proved to be false. They made many of these statements.

 

How about we analyse all these statements and issue a correcting report with a plan for next time ?

How about we support people with vaccine induced injuries ?

 

Rabbiting on about anti-vaxxers while having no plan for next time is just plain stupid.

 

 

[skippydiesel]

Hi BM,

 

Its way way to easy to blame your problem on the last vaccine you had - overwhelmingly these claims are found to be without foundation.

 

For the relatively few who did have an adverse reaction - I agree , they should be supported, if  there have been out of pocket expenses, its a lifelong or even long duration medical issue. If they just felt a tad unwell - to bad!

 

"......senior state/federal government medical officers with medical qualifications made statements based on what pharma companies told them that have now proved to be false." 

 

You know this for a fact?

 

Big pharma is just about equally ethically bankrupt as our career politicians - that what happens when market economics, are applied to health care - Governments no longer invest in R&D.

 

You, along with every other shortsighted/ self intersted voter, have kept a whole series of Governments in power who have systematically defunded our R&D industry.  recently there have been some small signs of hope,  unfortunately about 30 years of R&D has been lost in the meantime - no wonder we had to look to  Yank Big Pharma for a miracle cure.

 

"Rabbiting on about anti-vaxxers while having no plan for next time is just plain stupid."

 

Be careful with the personal attacks - Our Gov, in common with most, has a  dieses outbreak plan. Unfortunatly when modern medicine delivers generations without an outbreak, funds are whittled away, plans are not updated, systems allowed to degrade - just human nature. Mind you the Anti Vaxxers are doing their very best to create a good environment for the next disease outbreak - how many lives will be lost to their stupidity?

 

Anti Vaxxers are anti science, anti society. Their actions (not just with CV19) put all of us at risk, especially children, older people and the immunocompromised.  To me they are "pariahs"!

 

In Au we have an additional  self imposed  handicap, with any disease/pest outbreak -

States have way to much influence. 

Any problem of this nature should always be a Federal Responsibility.

These issues do not respect State boundary's, therefor must be Federally run/coordinated.

Politics must not be allowed to have any influence (Yeah! I know this naive but when you see the NSW Premier failing to implement a timely lock down, in wealth North Sydney,  just because thats where all here $$$/friends come from, you just have to wonder how many lives were lost by this crass political action)

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[BurnieM]

40 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

 overwhelmingly these claims are found to be without foundation.

- Do some research. This is not correct

 

You know this for a fact? 

- Yes. Do some research.

 

You, along with every other shortsighted/ self intersted voter, have kept a whole series of Governments in power who have systematically defunded our R&D industry. 

- How ? Both Labor and Libs have defunded research.

 

"Rabbiting on about anti-vaxxers while having no plan for next time is just plain stupid."

Be careful with the personal attacks

- This is not a personal attack. It is an attack on all state and federal 'health' agencies.

 

Explain to me why some health departments are still pushing 6 monthly Covid vaccines when their effectiveness against current Omicron derivative strains is known to be very low, as well as the impact of these weaker strains causing less harm.

 

Getting 2 or more respiratory illnesses (Flu, RSV, Covid etc) at the same time can still knock you around.

 

My history;

May 21 - Pfizer Comimaty

Jun 21 - Pfizer Comimaty

Jan 22 - Moderna Spikevax

Since then no Covid vaccines but early winter I get an annual flu vaccine.

 

I have had no major respiratory illness for many years. I live in metropolitain Sydney.

 

Am I an 'anti-vaxxer' ?

 

40 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

 

 

Edited yesterday at 05:25 AM by BurnieM

[skippydiesel]

29 minutes ago, BurnieM said:

This is where you come up with the facts or at least a persuasive argument ????????

Never said you were an antivaxxer, but then again....?????

 

Without facts you have nothing other than faith - if this be where you are at Go God My Friend - I will stick with science and those who speak for it.😈

Edited yesterday at 05:45 AM by skippydiesel

[facthunter]

Non science People think Science is JUST another Belief.  They do NOT understand the scientific method. The Church opposed science a lot throughout the ages. Held back progress and in it's name  Certain groups are still doing that now. Back to the Middle ages. Like Afghanistan and now parts of the USA.  Nev

[onetrack]

It's not the Comimaty vaccine. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine has a brand name - Comirnaty. 

 

There have been a number of studies on the side effects of the COVID-19 vaccines. Yes, there were some side effects, as with all vaccines. But they were far from life-threatening for 99.999% of the population.

I don't know what the likes of Capt Hood expected Govts to do, as regards urgent vaccines when faced with a once-in-a-century pandemic.

There wasn't time to do long periods of research and testing - plus, the technology for vaccine development has advanced enormously in recent years, meaning that long clinical trial on big groups of people, are no longer necessary.

 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10507236/

 

[planedriver]

i'm not afraid to say that my personal belief is that I have not had one Covid jab and will not after nearly 5yrs of extensive research. 

If the jabs worked as suggested, why would it be necessary to have more and more if the original did it's job.

Most who have been keen to get the latest one available have been diagnosed with it again a couple of days afterwards.

It's the side effects caused by them which seems to be taking so many people out by wrecking the bodies natural immunity system.

Think back 5yrs and ask yourself WHY are so many young fit people succumbing to illnesses barely even heard of before at their age?

Over the past month I have now lost 8 friends all of them under the age of 42, and of many of them sadly leaving young families behind.

Apart from strokes etc; They ALL HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON, but believed what they were told and thought it would be a good thing which is understandable.

My brother in law lost sight in one eye a couple of hours after getting his first one and it was apparently due to a blood clot behind the eye which has never recovered.

Thursday morning I got off a cruise ship, On that cruise I noticed 5 ladies with a patch over one eye which is bit of an unusual sight, so made a point to have a chat with them. Guess what? Same story!

Trust the science they tell us. Don't be lazy,  I say do extensive research yourself, not simply leave it to what you are told by people who are making squillions of dollars from it, and check the history of some of pharma's past wonder cures.

It's not all, I for one would wish to have hoped for.

My daughter used to work for a well known pharma company and said that doctors were told to push certain products to win golfing weekends, tickets for shows, and trips away. She say's the industry is unethical and stinks.

At 82, i'm pretty fit and still working just about full time, so think i'll just leave it that way, despite what others may think. We are all entitled to our own opinion.

[skippydiesel]

Planedriver,

 

I am sorry to hear of the troubles that have beset you and your friends.

 

On the matter of immunisation - it is clear you know nothing of the body's response to infection or how many vaccinations work.

I am very far from an expert however I do know that the efficacy of vaccinations variose tremendously with the disease being mitigated eg Tetanus vaccine is good for about 10 years (should still have a booster if bad cut and or contamination of wound) Polio vaccine - for life (boosters should be given to people at high risk eg health workers working with infected patients). Rabies 3-5 years. Yellow Fever - life long Measles - most of life. Typhoid -3 years. etc etc.

I speculate that the length of time that a vaccine/immunisation remains effective depends on the rate at which the dieses is able to evolve. Coronavirus is a rapidly evolving virus - The fact  6-12 month that booster shots are required, is to try & combat/keep up with the changes.

 

I congratulate you on reaching 82 years of age.  Many of us (especially men) will  "drop off the twig" long before such a milestone. While 82 years must infer much life experince, it would seem wisdom has escaped you. Your argument against vaccination lacks logic, is full of speculation, hearsay and circumstantial judgement.

 

You advocate "...extensive research yourself" on the face of it reasonable advise , provided you accept the findings of the scientist who actually know what they are talking about.

 

The  exception to the rule argument, does not make sense & never will - "At 82, i'm pretty fit and still working just about full time...............I have not had one Covid jab"  Lucky for you!  Blessed with a superior immune system. Unfortunately millions, not so blessed, have suffered & died due to CV19 - many more have survived due to immunisation.

 

It is unfortunate that a small number of vaccine recipients will have a severe  adverse reaction (more than feeling a bit off). This is as much a factor of their individual biology, as is your clearly excellent system. That you appear not to need to be immunised against CV19 (& what else)- should not undermine the benefit, to untold millions around the Globe, who have benefited from vaccination programs.

 

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[facthunter]

Without Innoculations we would not have eliminated Small pox controlled TB and Polio to name just a few. Measels are on the rise  now and killing children  There are strains of Influenza emerging that Kill you in 24 hours.  Anti biotics don't work after a while and neve did against a Virus. As a Pilot who might go overseas at the drop of a hat I was innoculated against a lot of things including Yellow fever and Plenty of others as a requirement of being in my Job.  Virus's are constantly evolving into different forms I always have the Latest Flu Vaccine as soon as I'm due for it. My medical people are not the type who would recommend stuff to get the Kickbacks' you may find that applies more to Pharmaceuticals.  ANTI Biotics have Large side effects including destroying the GOOD gut bugs that you must look after Without vaccines millions more People would have DIED from Covid and many have LONG term issues as a result of catching it. Look what happened in Places where it wasn't done well or not at all (Brazil) Australia is One place that Infection wise came out of it pretty well . RFK Jr would be OK with you. planey? 

  There's one thing for certain and that is we will have More PANDEMICS and without Immunisation We will die in Large Numbers and the attitude of the Anti vaxxers is counter to being Properly prepared. AFTER WW1, FLU Killed many more People than were killed in  the WAR.

Covid and Flu are still around.  Nev

[BurnieM]

Can we stop ignoring the fact that except for AZ and the chinese vaccines all the Covid vaccines were mRNA vaccines.

 

Proir to Covid no mRNA vaccine had been approved for general use in humans anywhere in the world. 

Mainly this was because previous mRNA vaccines were largely ineffective but odd side effects were noted and reported on.

 

Even today no mRNA Covid vaccine has a standard approval and all are currently being given on their original emergency approvals.

There is no other vaccine type in Australia, NZ, UK, USA, Canada and western Europe being dispensed on the basis of an emergency approval.

 

The Australia governement advised us that the pandemic emergency was over in February 2022.

I would have expected that these emergency approvals would have been withdrawn at the same time.

The TGA could have then requested trial data and put the vaccines through the normal approval process.

By February 2022 millions of doses had been dispensed and the pharma companies had a huge amount of data.

This has still not occurred.

 

Please explain this to me.

 

Edited 10 hours ago by BurnieM

[planedriver]

I'm NOT anti-vax and have had many over the years and nothing much has changed in that regard, but I am not prepared to join the head of the que for something which has not been thoroughly tested and proven effective beyond reasonable doubt.

The human body is a wonderful machine in itself, and in many many cases (not all) can take care of itself. Natural remedies also play an important part in overcoming many ailments but rarely get the publicity many deserve. 

In the early days of the pandemic, there was one hell of a lot of scaremongering being broadcast. On tv news they mentioned that a certain large Sydney hospital was half full of patients with covid. A friend of my partner is the head of nursing at that hospital and said some of the wards were barely half full, and at that time said not one of their patiends had covid, and she could not believe what she'd heard on TV. As she said "if someone had it, i'd be the first to know".

It was also a great money spinner for GP's and pharmacies to administer the shots. Believe that if you wish. But it is a fact. I have the figures including an extra $10 a shot introduced in December 2021 for them to claim which made a significant increase to their income, not that that worries me.

What does really worry me is the large number of vaccinated people falling off the perch long before their time, not from simpy taking the jab with good intentions, but from all the side effects we never even seemed to hear about before. Who'd ever heard of blood clots in main arteries that were 18inches long? If you get the opportunity have a chat with someone who does enbalming.

It does not bother me what people think of my views whether i'd be right or totally wrong. As I have said before, we all have our own views and like to feel that we know whats best.

Whether it's supposed to be based on science or not, in life we should always question what we are told, because long term that can often bring up different results.

At universities we learn what we are told, but the wise ones question it.

No offence taken by some slightly abrasive comments about my intelligence.You could well be right. I appreciate others views and so glad that you are all still around.

Rgds planey