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When I solo, can I log the flight time as pilot in command (PIC) time? Yes, you can. Changes to the federal aviation regulations that took effect on August 4, 1997, clarified this point. A person may log PIC time when they are the sole occupant of the aircraft, and this applies to student pilots as well. FAR 61.51(e)(4) says, "A student pilot may log pilot-in-command time when the student pilot (i) Is the sole occupant of the aircraft; (ii) Has a current solo flight endorsement as required under [FAR] 61.87; and (iii) Is undergoing training for a pilot certificate or rating. So be sure to log all of your applicable solo time as PIC time." FROM AOPA

Jan 13, 2016 #1FROM AN AMERICAN PAGE Hi there folks, Few months ago while training for the Private Pilot Certificate I went through my solo stages of Solo Around the pattern several times, Solo to the practice area 3 times, and 3 Solo XCs. On my first solo flight, when I landed my instructor was waiting for me at the ramp, we secured the plane and went into the Flight School Lounge. As he was signing my logbook, the Owner of the school which is the Assist. Chief Flight Instructor, a man with thousands of hours and in Aviation since the 70s, He told my flight instructor I still couldn't Log PIC time because I wasn't rated in the Cessna 172 until I get my PPL. My instructor and I believe that he was kind of insane saying that just because of the fact that every aircraft must have a PIC, and if I am flying SOLO, that should be me, not the instructor who is waiting for me on the ground. What do you guys think about it? Are we right or is the Assist. Chief Flight Instructor right? After getting my ticket, the first thing I did was getting a checkout in the C172S (i've been flying the P and M models during my training) And after landing this guy said I could not log PIC as I was receiving Flight Training... I thought that being the sole manipulator of the controls all the time, and having my certificate already would allow me to log PIC time even though I'm receiving training from a CFI.

skippy has it all ballsed up. they don't hire an aircraft to somone who can't fly it. THIS IS ABOUT STUDENTS GOING SOLO WHICH IS PART OF THE SYLLABUS. ONCE THE STUDENT IS SOLO HE IS PIC. SCHOOLS HOLD THE PIC LIABLE FOR INSURANCE EXCESS. if i could find bigger capitals i would use them.😁

we will have to agree to disagree. i don't think there is a scam, just not enough clarity when student signs on with a school.

Aero Club reserves the right to recover the excess in the Insurance Policy for Aero Club’s aircraft or any other aircraft operated by the Aero Club should the aircraft be damaged during your hire period. this is out of the club hire agreement with name omitted.

bs it maybe, but it is the truth.

i have asked a flight school and raaus and the raaus insurance broker. skippy is just going around in circles with red following him, thats why i got cranky. i think schools need to clearly explain what excess the (solo) student is liable for in the event of a mishap. that is all i am suggesting, then the student can decide if it is worth the risk. my aero club look at the incident and can decide to not ask for excess if they choose. normal excess is 1250 to 5000 at this club.

its in the hire agreement. remember we are only talking solo students not with an instructor.

how long is a drifter fuse tube.

no grudge. you were putting shit on me when i was trying to explain what i mean't about third party insurance. you get back what you give. i put this thread up to make people aware of something they should check out prior to training. not to have an argument with a pom on the other side of the world who looks like he is off little britain.

seems to be that way in the us as well. i hope they don't do it here but i guess it will happen eventually.

years ago and its only the cheap crap e10. i have never heard of anyone putting it in an aircraft or boat. its rubbish not even good enough for a lawn mower.

i don't think you even read the posts before you comment, now you are encouraging skippy with his rants..

who puts ethanol in an aircraft

Don't you start

I understand what you are saying. I just don't know what else I can ad that I haven't already said.

I don't know what more I can say.

For a start. It is not a story. And how many times do we have to go over it. It's not that complicated

I don't want to go down that road yet. But I agree with you.

I went to their warehouse in Lilydale on Wednesday to buy a carb socket. There were 3 people working there.

I don't understand how you can't accept the pic is the person in the aircraft on their own no matter what stage of training. It can't be anything else.

I started this thread purely to outline who is subject to being slugged with the insurance excess. As I have been told by my Aero club. Raaus insurance broker and raaus , technically the pic is responsible no matter if they have gained RPC or not. It is up to the school or club to pursue them for the excess in the event of a claim. I also know this to be true because it happened last week to someone I know.

I am talking about solo training. The student is pic because the instructor is not in the AC. Regarding your comments above wouldn't that be a police matter as well. Theft of the aircraft, especially the one that crashed.

could be . the aerial lead runs parallel to a harness for about a foot. it might be the engine harness.

mine is a microair danny. for some reason i thought it was an mgl. it works fine but it makes the tacho needle go haywire when i transmit.