octave

this is being done by Nio in China

This Chinese EV company swaps batteries instead of waiting for them to charge

New Batteries for Old EVs : 150% more range for a Nissan LEAF | FULLY CHARGED

1 minute ago, turboplanner said:

Hence, 16,000 EV Buses may emit no "Tailpipe: CO2, but they've racked up CO2 emissions being built and will rack up more at battery changeover every ten years. Then you start to look at how the power is generated to recharge these buses, given that the daily charge will be huge. If Chenxing is pulling from a nuclear Power Station then the CO2 emissions are those parasite CO2 emissions mentioned. On the other end of the scale if their power is coal-fired, they've gone backwards.

All vehicles rack up CO2 being built no matter what they are powered by. In addition petrol and diesel fuel racks up CO2 in its  extraction, shipping overseas, refining and delivery to service stations.  We know the negative effects of burning fuel not just CO2 but other pollutants which are unhealthy.

1 minute ago, turboplanner said:

I certainly quoted from memory, so I'll check back and let you know, because the one I quoted wasn't the only one which took an impractical amount of time from flat to full charge.

 

Yep you should check.   I know the everyday in and outs of driving an EV because for a few week a year I get to borrow one whilst on holiday in NZ.   The important points here are 75Kwh battery and home charger of 7KWh or supercharger 120KWh or 250KWh.  

2 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

However, the manufacturers have been talking Top Up times,  i.e. leave home, drive for an hour, say 80 km, top up for another hour, drive 80 km back. In one case a truck manufracturer advertised a 30 minute top up for the 30 minute driver lunch break, seemingly unaware that most drivers by their lunch then drive, and don't have runs which allow just a 30 minute top up half-way through the day.

This is not right.  My sons Tesla has a 75KWh battery. At his home he has a 7KWh charger, I will leave you to do the maths.   Tesla superchargers are 120Kw and I believe there are even 250kw again you can do the maths.   We travel around NZ in the Tesla with no problems. Est range for this vehicle is 657km although that is in ideal conditions.

2 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

I mentioned Australia phasing out electric buses in the 1960s; we also phased out fleets of electric milk and bread delivery trucks and we've never went back once diesel produced a lower total cost of life, and as you point out energy is sold everywhere.

Certainly other countries are moving forward with technology. 

The City with 16,000 Electric Buses & 22,000 Electric Taxis | 100% Independent, 100% Electric

14 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

The fast charging being quoted is top up charging. In some cases a full charge can take 20 hours

Really? If you charge an EV from a standard 10amp then yes it may take 20 hours, but nobody does that.   My sons Tesla will fully charge overnight from his 7kwh charger on ridiculously cheap off peak electricity or about 20 minutes to 80% from a tesla supercharger. When I visit him (he lives in NZ} he lends me this vehicle so I have first hand experience.

30 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

There are still some isolated operations in the east, but the main CNG action was  pretty much over by 2010. The attraction in Victoria was the ESSO BHP oilfields off the coast in Bass Strait where we were told there were hundreds of years of supply of natural gas. We are now being told there is none left and are about to buy subsidised gas from China, so someone screwed up somewhere.

Aren't we talking about hydrogen fuel cells rather than CNG?

This is an interesting look into the pros and cons of hydrogen for vehicles

The Truth about Hydrogen

3 hours ago, onetrack said:

I know a group of Japanese car manufacturers (Toyota included) are intent on creating a range of hydrogen-powered vehicles - but I personally think they're trying to fly a lead balloon.

There are numerous hydrogen fuel cell cars commercially available right now.

Cars commercially available for sale or leasing.

• 2008-2015 Honda FCX Clarity^[2]
• 2013–2017 Hyundai Tucson/ix35 Fuel Cell^[3]
• 2015-2020 Toyota Mirai
• 2016 - Roewe 950 fuel cell (plug-in hybrid fuel cell)^[4][5]
• 2016 - Honda Clarity Fuel Cell^[6][7]
• 2018 - Hyundai Nexo
• 2020 - Toyota Mirai II

The main problem at this point is the lack of places to refuel.

Glider meters away from crashing! Mentour reacts

Fascinating video (imho) on MFS 2020 and how they achieve it.

How Microsoft Flight Simulator Recreated Our Entire Planet

3 minutes ago, Cosmick said:

I was going to suggest a blue tablet to get your Horn going again

 So do those pills really work?   Just asking for my grandad

8 minutes ago, Flying Binghi said:

 

Hmmm... octave, in the link you provided, what exactly is Trump accused of ?

If you want a succinct list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lawsuits_involving_Donald_Trump  Now I know you are going to say Wikipedia is in accurate but you can actually follow up the references for more authoritative sources.   

I have no idea how sound these law suits are and in fact this list includes cases where he is the plaintiff.

But you are missing my point. I have no idea whether he is squeaky clean or not, those law suits will play out in the fullness of time,   You put the proposition that 

6 hours ago, Flying Binghi said:

So, I’ll take that as after 4 or 5 years of intense investigation by the US media and the Democrats that there is no actual evidence..🙂

 My main point was the allegations against Hillary Clinton  have also been around for 4 or 5 years with no  actual evidence.   Wasn't Trump going to lock her up?  

Just getting back to Sully vs Trump it is interesting to compare both of these peoples characters.  Sully has class and humility and Trump....

53 minutes ago, Flying Binghi said:

 

So, I’ll take that as after 4 or 5 years of intense investigation by the US media and the Democrats that there is no actual evidence..🙂

 

 

 

 

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One could mount the same argument regarding allegations against others for example Clinton and Biden's son. 

A sitting president cannot be prosecuted under federal law but after his presidency is a different matter. There are also many pending lawsuits regarding his past business activities as well as from financial dealings with his own family.  https://www.justsecurity.org/72565/all-the-presidents-lawsuits-fraud-defamation-and-the-westfall-act-jean-carroll-mary-trump/

It is notable that every other presidential candidate releases their tax records. It should ring alarm bells that he alone will not

29 minutes ago, SplitS said:

Trump has started zero wars he has inherited war's which he is trying to withdraw from.

 Which wars did Obama start rather than inherit?

On 17/10/2020 at 8:44 AM, SplitS said:

Nothing else really matters.

Just an observation on the quality of the information of this meme,    I not that first on the Obama list is operation Ocean Shield.  This was a NATO led operation  to protect shipping from piracy in African waters.   Should this be considered in a list of wars?  An as for the other side I can see no mention of Trumps bombing of Syria or the drone attack's that continue.  I would anticipate that if I could be bothered checking other items in these lists and it is difficult as this list is reproduced at a size that is difficult to even read.

Wherever information comes from it is so important to look for supporting evidence.   Far too many people on all sides regard information that supports their gut feeling to be true and anything contrary to be false,   

3 hours ago, Jim McDowall said:

I voted - did you?

However can hardly be described as a secret ballot.

Here's why.

The RAA process requires you to markup the ballot paper.

You then place the ballot paper in an envelope and are required to write your membership number on the back of the envelope to make a valid vote. In other words it is possible to identify how a member voted - hardly a secret ballot!

The correct process is to place the ballot paper into an envelope (usually marked Ballot Paper) with no distinguishing features and then place that envelope into postage envelope that identifies the voter so it can be marked off the membership roll. 

Then when the ballot papers arrive at the counting office the membership roll is checked, the envelope containing the ballot paper place in the ballot box and at the appointed time all the ballots are opened and counted.

 

Is this procedure new or different to past elections?

There are two kinds of countries. Those that use the metric system and those that have landed men on the Moon. :-)

Actually NASA back in the Apollo program used a mixture but most calculations were done in metric and then converted.

That looks like the icon.. .I think I would rather just do the real thing looking at the potential cost of that ;-)

My son owns a games developmemt company so he has all sorts of tech goodies. As soon as I can visit again I wiil spend some time on this.

My son's flight sim setup.

Other interesting youtube channels are Marcus House and Scott Manley

Flightright what exactly is it you find funny. 911 health workers infected doing their job? People with health issues? Sorry but I don't really get what it is that amuses you perhaps you could be specific. I am always happy to have a rigorous factual debate and I am happy to consider any rigorous evidence but an emoji is not a debating point.

No one is saying that younger people are most at risk, unless they do have a comorbidity. A comorbidity does not imply the someone is near to death and covid merely pushed them across the line a few weeks early. As a society we give health care to older people and people who have accidents or disease. We generally don't write them off to save a few bucks. Generally the comorbidities we are talking about are heart disease, blood pressure problems, diabetes type 1 and 2. These are people who are not necessarily on the way out in the near future. We are also talking about people who are having or who have had radiotherapy or chemo. I know some of you love to go through reports of covid deaths looking for any hint they may have had an underlying condition or are being or who have been treated for cancer or perhaps have other immune deficiencies.

People are obsessed with the death rate but seem unconcerned with the rate of complications which can be quite devastating for some. We also know that the virus will mutate and this could make it better or worse, so the demographics could change.

Today we have 901 health workers out of the game due to being infected just from doing their job. This is a rise of 101 from the previous day. This number of health worker infections is what we get when we are in lockdown and taking other precautions. Imagine what those numbers would be if we did not take any precautions. The health system is not just a matter of numbers of beds but also staff to utilize these beds.

The fact that older people have less life ahead of them does not mean we don't provide them with life extending medical care even if it costs us. We could save the taxpayer a lot if we just denied health care to older people.

It is of unfortunate that, having had early success we did dropped the ball and this will impact the economy more than if we had done it right the first time. I invite you to compare our unemployment figure with that of NZ.

I am sympathetic to those who are struggling for financial or psychological reasons but I don't see many options. Whenever I ask for alternate scenarios or for examples of how other countries have handled it differently I rarely get an answer and if I do these countries don't turn out to be doing so well.

We have been kicking this subject around for a while now and it appears that "it's not really a problem" people seem to be few in number. Really it comes down to accepting that your views are minority ones and getting on with in the best way you can is probably the best option

I cant see any scenario whereby we just get back to normal and let it rip. Even if we did our economy would still struggle and indeed probably even more.

KRviator ref my post #381 You are wasting your time with those convinced we are doomed!!

I am actually an optimist. I believe we will overcome this but not without effort. If you carefully read my posts you will notice that I am optimistic about recent vaccine trials and also treatments such as remdesivir etc. I am also not convinced that we are economically doomed either. I can actually be convinced of anything given rigorous evidence. There is quite a large uncertainty factor, we don't know how the virus will mutate, it good be for the better or for the worse.