turboplanner

........loop throttle quadrant lever [avref], a device exclusive to the Jacka and if the truth be known the only good thing about that aircraft which was powerede by an engine designed to power a 4 stand shearing plant.

The loop throttle quadrant lever was made by Aston Martin in England, some saying it was the best product they ever made, because it could .........

33 minutes ago, aro said:

When you say nothing, you mean nothing other than approval by CASA (including rewriting all the exemptions to refer to the new organization) and obtaining insurance coverage.

 

If insurance companies decide they don't want to be in the recreational aviation business, that would be a big problem for new and existing organizations alike. Private aviation is small beer for insurance companies, if it becomes more trouble than it's worth they will just decline to write policies.

Pretty much all of that, however remember that there are many risk sports that are very much smaller than flying. I did see a case where Insurance companies declined to insure a big industry, but there was quickly an agreement for the industry to get its act into gear and it all calmed down.  As we found earlier in the year, RA in total hasn't been a huge risk.

43 minutes ago, aro said:

It's partly out of CASA's control, unless CASA indemnify RAAus. If the insurance coverage is denied because of actions of RAAus or a claim exceeds the insurance coverage, or the insurers just decide they don't want to be in that market, RAAus ceases to exist and pilots and aircraft are grounded.

 

Personally, I think some in CASA would like to see the end of RAAus. The various simplified medicals and the ease of conversion of a pilot certificate to RPL undermine the reasons people join RAAus, and appear to be designed to attract people back to GA from RAAus.

 

If RAAus ceased to exist, would CASA just rewrite the existing exemptions with reference to CASA instead of RAAus?

Take a look at the recreational aircraft operating in other SASAOs for that answer. There's nothing to stop an Incorporated Association setting up. Remember these are Self Administering.  

5 minutes ago, facthunter said:

At the end of the day It's about liability and whether CASA wants RAAus  (oranything similar)to exist into the future No sensible person would join some Body. that exposes them to an unspecified  potential liability that has no limit. Nev

It doesn't say anything of the sort.

There's a beautiful colour photo of a SAFA trike flying over a coastline around social media; they aren't screwed up in a ball about the current SASAO structure, they're doing some good promotion.

4 minutes ago, facthunter said:

I'm not on trial here and not everyone reads into a document WHAT someone else might.. I've explained the Arms length concept applying.. No definite conclusion to some  accident can be sourced/allowed from a Participating party. It has NO value. Documents and records should be available and provided and any technical matter that might have affected the outcome such as performance icing conditions of the Aircraft and any pilot. WHY would I presume to state what the Coroner was unaware of? Nor will I speculate on it. . Give it a break anyhow. Opinions counter to yours have a right to be expressed. Nev

Your still thinking in the Prescriptive era; a little like if you have an accident today under the prescriptive State Government system.

1 hour ago, aro said:

ATSB don't do investigations for CASA. They are an independent body, and can investigate CASA if required.

 

If you're worried about lawsuits, the last thing you want to do is an investigation. Anything discovered in an investigation can and will be used as evidence against you (as they say). A problem documented is much worse than a problem you can plausibly deny knowledge of.

Yes, all correct, BUT when you have lost about a dozen cases and the bill for the insurer is north of $15 million you start to see where your responsibilities lie and you work to benchmarks and make go/no go decisions and investigate everything and the evidence becomes reliable in Court, and surprise surprise the events and payouts come down sharply. So auditing can be your friend.

39 minutes ago, facthunter said:

There's a big difference between "FLYING" and the other activities you always relate to. ATSB only INVESTIGATE INCIDENTS/ACCIDENTS and are an INDEPENDENT BODY with the requisite Authority. So are the POLICE.   CASA and RAAus are NOT. Nev

ATSB investigate aircraft accidents withing CASA's registrating and licnsing system, and can investigate   a self administering sports aircraft organisation in certain circumstances. They are an independent body as you say.

CASA is a safety body, and ATSB do the investigations for them as outlined above.

The State Police investigate accidents  on the road, in workplaces and generally and provide a Brief to the State Coroner.

Self Administering Organisations, if they are smart, investigate their own accidents which go into their own databases to help reduce the accident rate, and also assist Police where called on with their specialist advice, for the Coroner's brief and the Coroner makes a finding on the deceased plus may make recommendations for a Sport/Industry etc.

A Self Administering Body is just that. It can sit there with its tongue in the sude of its mouth and just cop the lawsuits without doing any investigation at all. However it's much smarter to pass its own safety regulations, administer its one member standards and aircraft standards, investigate promptly when something goes wrong and take action to minimise any repeats.

........put it in the trike and make for......but his voice was drowned out by the sprag clutch and whine of the Rotax as the trike raced down the runway and staggered into the air.

OT was a little inexperienced with weightshift and pushed the bar when he should have pulled it. The trike jerked and the Briefcase flipped out and dropped on to the runway.

Turbo sprinted for the bag, or he thought he sprinted.

OT looked down and saw Turbo and again mishandled the controls and the Trike tumbled over and over in that deat roll heading towards the ground. Luckily a hug elm tree snagged the trike and OT was able to jump down and make a run for the Briefcase, but before either could grab it ..........

25 minutes ago, Dieselten said:

The conflict of interest in being both the administrator and the investigator is also a cause for concern, but that seems to be a result of the ATSB refusing to investigate any accident which doesn't involve either a GA or RPT aircraft. 

We got close to setting up a skilled investigation group in the RAA Inc. days.

When you are self administering you (RAA) have the duty of care to eliminate risk. You are the body licensing the members to fly, you have to ensure they come home. The governments are reflecting the opinions of the voters, who aren't interested in paying their taxes to prop up sport and recreation. CASA allowed AUF/RAA INC/RAA LTD on this basis through exemptions. 

ATSB is capable of investigating complex issues to prevent endemic failures in heavier aircraft and a Drifter cracked in half in a ditch is hardly beyond RAA's a Self Administering Organisation's ability; you just have to set something up that suits your sport/recreation.

In my experience with various sports/recreation self administering organisations over the past 30 + years most organisations have survived, and are operating with similar numbers to the mid 1980s. RAA still has those numbers also.

The recent attempt by someone to shift responsibility on to ATSB shoulld be seen for what it is.

".... take a minute, I'll get rid of these pearl handled revolvers and the cigar because no poor bastard ever won a war by dying for his country."

Turbo recognised the voice and snapped to attention, dropping his gun, which the Patton figure quickly kicked over the fence with his left foot. Amazed at this, Turbo hesitated just that little bit too long and .......

For the benefit of NES followers, the "hew" Cappy referred to was an error.

Victoria's Premier had heard somewhere that Albo was in danger of lising the next election so had rallied her Amazon female cabinet Ministers and gone down to Moorabbin to announce that 10,000 "Townhouses" (flats) would be built at Moorabbin Airport. When the sole mechanic has eased himself out from under the Cessna and asked how the planes were gunna land, the Premier said "Don't be silly" we've measured the Cessna wings and left two slots so both runways can still be used.

15 minutes after she'd got back to the Department to be met by all the NO Ministers, she announced the Moorabbin deal was off and Turbo in his relief had simply tyed "hew" instead of "Phew".

.....Gough Whitlam and Joh BP. 

But Turbo, who hadn't recognised bull's disguise, cut him off and was just about to plug bull when hew thought he recognised a familiar voice.........

........dressed himself up in a houndstooth suit, carried a bugle in one hand, dipped his other hand in some sump oil from the shed and wiped it over his hair, stuck a piece of charcoal under his nose and walked into the Reiss Bank with a stoop and a limp, towing his money in a trolley. Six staff immediatedly shot their arms out and clicked their heels, then quickly pulled them down and turned red, hoping no one would notice. One took the trolley, another put his arm around bull, reeling back from the smell of the sump oil and the money was in the bank so to speak.

Just as bull swaggered down the Allestrande Lause, a figure ........

.....had enough money to fill it up for life.

When he tried to put his money into a Swiss Bank .......

nor did she see Albo as one, partiularly after he'd stood up to Don T.

For that matter, she thought she might like a bit of bomb chucking, so when Ahmed asked to borrow her ASIC card, she said...............................

2 minutes ago, Garfly said:

 

So you can't put up.  Thought not.  Pathetic.

I would suggest you take some notice of comments on a current legal issues for RAA.

25 minutes ago, Garfly said:

Put up or shut up.

I don't think you understand; it's already out there.

18 minutes ago, Garfly said:

 

That's funny, I too was trying to cut off "incredibly dangerous talk" at the pass.

 

 

 

Well you started that "incredibly dangerous talk" and it's now got wings.

36 minutes ago, onetrack said:

I was under the impression that the core aim of all pilot training, is to avoid panic when upsets occur, and to avoid the ensuing disastrous mistakes, that panic would bring about.

..........and it appears that some of us were trained that way, but a lot of us were not, so there's a job the has be done. 

1 hour ago, johnm said:

if you have time to look at Utube ............. you probably have time to read / scan some comments. Who knows if the poster was an instructor (at face value they are)

 

............... there could be 'some' truth to the technique ........... that's why I posted it ................ something good might come out of it - or perhaps it can be dispelled  

 

(a trimmed aeroplane is easy to fly with just you feet - you can lean back and relax - try it - I am not qualified to make this statement, do not try this at home)

 

I agree with Skippyd about 3 posts above ............ no need to be doing barrell rolls with the yoke

 

not being an instructor nor a brain surgeon; but: ................ it could be a nuerological thing - your hands are to close to your brain

 

your feet are further away so they interpret logic better - maybe using the middle ear as a movement sensor

and now we finally get to the crux of the matter, the middle ear; I think you might be talking about this: https://www.flightsafetyaustralia.com/2018/01/dont-believe-your-ears-2/ which, hopefully all Instructors will have taught their students about.

....naive. The G, as the Ragheads call them had promised her a "free one" and, thinking it was a free tow, Shirley........................

We need to recognise that Cappy would have opened up to tell us this only after a lot of agonising thought, most likely bringing on a bout of PTSD. We love the ragheads, as nasty as they can be but they too have feelings.

I think we've all been through this before.

2 hours ago, jackc said:

The bill so far is $400,000 and climbing 🤢

That doesn't mean a thing.

People are not understanding what they are hearing. There is a normal sequence going on in cases like this one and one process needs top finish before the next one starts.

Just at the moment nothing is in progress, but if there is an announcement that legal proceedings are going ahead then it's live and should not be discussed publicly.

Best to just let it all unfold one way or the other and learn from any processes.

.....one dollar battery fans, powered water bottles, and Chinese snake bite kits,

These were all covered in a liberal blanket of cheap Christmas wrapping paper and underneath that paper was Chiko who'd been sipping Blackberry Nip as he cooked.

Shirley, aka the Norseman Nymph had bought an Airborne XT-912 SST Tundra for Christmas.

The "Nymph" name was sarcastic because Shirley was Security at the Norseman Reindeer Hotel. She wore a bullet-proof vest, a reflective strip over her deck and down to her Tool Belt which contained everything from a bottle opener to a rabbit gutting pocket knife, dark blue tights and Parachute boots.

She decided to land in the main street, since no one was around.

She'd learnt to fly the trike from a video; it was really quite easy, and as she swung on course and lined up on the five mile main street the whine died down, the Rotax coughed once then was silent. Her mind went to that fuel hose she'd bought and rivetteted on, but it was too late now; she was gliding quite well, if steeply, when .......

Since the January "Questions over hobby plane safety" discussions in January and talking to a lot of people, I've shifted my position a long way. We're not going to retain safety with partial training by correspondence; while the proposals will cost more, at least we'll see thorough training on all the modules.