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The towns were approached from the north and the south which confuses things. Not saying there's not a mistake in their but that might be the reason. kW/100k is not a constant, varies considerably in accordance with coefficient of resistance, speed, winds etc. I'm doing some work on power demand in the next week or so.

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There have been plenty of side claims and discussions but some of us are focused on key aspects of driveline and equipment ofr aircraft.

Tks, that’s a good EV profile. I’ll do some test calls to see what other power demands might do.

Would this be the Model Y Rear Wheel Drive? with. WHLV 455 km range Battery 57.5 kW Efficiency: 132 Wh/khr Performance, Drive: 194 kW Performance: Torque: 340 kW Drive: RWD Weight: 1929 kg Towing: 750 kg Roughly what percentage would the application be? % Highway %Suburban %City I'd like to run some figures an drive loading and see if they are anywhere near yours.

Yes you can, nothing to stop you setting up a heading and starting it off. Doing that also has the benefit of allowing searches for subject matter easy.

Well we've been waiting for about 50 years and with the current statements by Melbourne Airport the State Minister and The Federal Minister fighting over underground or above ground station so maybe another 50?

If you care to look back you'll see I was asking about the Caution you gave Jabiru7252.

What’s the caution for Skippy? Do you know something we don’t?

Am I correct in saying the current registration protocol allows for 10,000 aircraft. If that's the case there are plent of combinations left. It's never good policy to overwrite because in some cases people keep history records based on Registration Number with notations and history by Reg Number, so you finish up with two histories. If an aircraft has a bad accident and is rebuilt, then re-registered so the history starts at zero its open to fraud. Plane spotters record everything and the ID component is the Registraton Number. These people are on the ball enough to pick up most changes but there will be circumstances where some slip through. When databasing a lot of items and particularly where something is split, such as an aircraft with two call signs; the search and processing of the analysis is not a clean one. In some cases it requires a master index with the before and after numbers having different master numbers, in others a "side ident" to relate to something else like a date to decide which reg we are talking about. I wouldn't do it.

If you're suggesting this discussion is just pointless arguments an no one knows what they are talking about, by all means pick a subject and actually open a discussion on another subject and see if you can attract comments. The comments may appear opposing, but that's because real-world test data is only emerging slowly, but we do have opposing data so the delta is a lot closer to being obtained than it was, and a lot of issues not generally available have come to light. The material we are discussing might be fom cars, but much of it will transfer to anyone who wants to buy a battery powered aircraft.

The only reason for using EV is if CO2 produces global warming. Given that minimising CO2 emissions is the goal and the EVs are not recharged by Coal-Fired power plants or diesel generators, both of which are occurring now, I'd suggest we would need to tackle the biggest volume areas - where vehicles are operating with open throttles. Tis group only use their cars for low annual distance and these days in 40, 50 and 60 km/hr zones so are minute emitters. It just happens that because their distances are so short and time for charging so long and full power rarely demanded they are also prime material for EV. The vehicle meets the Application but the CO2 reduction is tiny in volume. Yes it does and bringing it up to Kyoto standard would eliminate most of those cars except for people who wanted to go on holidays, rode horses had family in Geelong etc. The Prime cost would be huge to do it all at once, and the States have dropped into heavy debt loads to get us through Covid. Victoria has already started the process When their underground loop is finished you can live in Mentone and catch a train to Monash Uni, the Chinese Restaurant precinct in Box Hill or the Airport reducing the need for a car to do those things Kyoto is just a multiple of that concept on steoids. So for this idea, a good sociological plan but not a great reduction in CO2, and probably not going to happen because of finances being used for other things. 17.9 million people live in our cities - with traffic speeds up to 80 except for freeways so part throttle = part power demand = not as range sensitive as country. 8.1 million people live in the Regions so a bigger percentage of wide open throttle, full CO2 emissions, and biggest battery drains often with less than 2 hours turna around. For example an Elders Mount Gambier Salesman taking a client to buy stud sheep in Deniliquin will pick up his client around 4 am, drive 5 hours straight to deniliquin, spend about 2 hours on the farm where they'll be given lunch, fuel up at the local service station and drive straight back to Mount Gambier, so about 9 hours drive at 100 km/hr and 20 minutes charge time if the service station has a charger. If, somehow there was a large takeup of EV in the cities and ICE suppliers dropped their regional vehicles just as GM and Ford dropped their utes, the world falls apart for these 8.1 million people. So there are some bigger prices to pay than just putting up with an alleged increase of 1.5 degrees C ambient. Think about it; that would give Melbourne about the same temperatures that Sydney has now and Sydney about the same as Brisbane has now and Brisbane about the same as Townsville is now. A good example of ignoring the regional people is in the South East of South Australia where the agricultural production represents half the income of South Australia. If they lost their vehicle infrastructure, a State would be crippled. We wouldn't have to wait for the 1.5 degree Armageddon to show its nose over the horizon.

Here's the de-Social Media-ised original Daily Mail story I posted. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12769167/Hyundai-Ioniq-5-road-trip-Melbourne-Sydney-expensive-slow.html Source: Daily Mail Australia Journalist: Belinda Cleary Published: 21:19 AEDT 20/11/23 Updated: 10:24 AEDT 21/11/23 As you can see some of the story is backed up by the photos, and the trip distances, Stop locations, charge times, and amounts are shown. If anyone believes these have been tailored or falsified, you should contact the Australian Press Council on this link: https://presscouncil.org.au/ There's a link to help you make your comments which will be adjudicated and the adjudication published. I'd be interested to see the results.

Some have been a problem like the fatal belt break on the Mustang in Queensland and failures from misalignment, poor mounting, out of balance etc. and there is a small power loss because of driveline coefficient having to be added, but technically it's as you say; if the engineering is correct it works well. I'm not concerned about the driveline itself, but that fact that it allows a screaming engine speed by comparison with the long life aero engines operating around 2000 to 2600 rpm approx. When you're analysing engine reliability and life and you put stroke length into the equation and multiply that by lengths per hour you come up with the total length the piston, rings and bore have/have been travelled. Usually the shorter travel length will win the reliability stakes.

Here are some more BEV costs on a Sydney-Melbourne trip from the Daily Mirror

You can't politically condemn those outside your tent to poverty through lack of transport, so you have to find a solution for every City, every town and every property in Australia. And BTW at the present time you have to convert all Public Transport rail either to Battery Electric power-generated by wind or solar or build solar/windfarms to power those huge electricity sinks which are currently emitting masses of CO2 at their Coal-fired Power Station supply points to make any sense of pushing people to EV. It would be a lot cheaper for governments to do the research from the time the United Nations started the global warming programme in 1968. Then you might not have to do anything.

Public Transport take you from where you have to catch it to where it drops you off. Owning a vehicle takes you from where you want to start to where you want to finish with the ability to take with you want you want. So a few million more options. The Kyoto, Japan solution is Shinkansen for major rural routes (2.6 hours Melbourne to Sydney from several platforms around town plus Country rail Local Rail Above ground rail/bus local Free mini Loop Bus local Below ground rail connecting suburbs Time scale to set that up; from around 1920. Cost: Mostly privately owned.

If you ever pull into a caravan and find the communal fire started with people starting to gather you can be the DEBATE will start soon. Caravans and camping have much bigger forums than this site. I started out camping and wouldn't touch a caravan, then my wife asked how much she could spent on one so I confidently said $140.00 and she came back and said "We need to go and pick it up" As we drove into Eldorado Caravan Park the door fell off. My brother decided to come over to a Gemfest in Victoria. We descrived the van. There were 8000 people camped there, but he drove up to our van. At one stage we had 32 beds at our place from tents, camper trailer, caravan and motor home. All had specific uses and we took the kids into the Outback to places like Lake Eyre, Woomera etc. We'd noticed the old caravaners dying out each season, so decided to travel while we were young; turned out to be a good decision. There's also nothing wrong with flying cross country the way you do, or travelling Brisbane to Cairns by Jetstar and hiring a car or aircraft there. It's a free country. Same goes with the method of transport.

I’m aware of the straw man argument from stories about old radial emgines etc. , but I should have added the words “where permitted”.

So says the OneTrack Bible however when the kids are tired halfway between Bendigo and Mildura, you can pull into a side track and go to sleep. At Wentworth you can stop and hand feed the possums in the caravan park, when things get boring half way to Broken Hill and you see a Blue Tongue lizard you can open a can of tinned fruit and let the kids feed it and it will identify they are mates and let them hold it and pet it and we still haven't go to the Qinkins or being the forst one to see a Cassowary, or the duck shooting for the evening meal etc. I grew up in a manufacturing environment where we built what the customer needed, and we added numbers or customers or dropped numbers of customers, in the thousands, based on the specification decisions we made.

That's the EV "I'm all right Jack attitude" You can do what you want but the country people, the people who need to travel for business, the tradies who need to tow heavy loads long distances, anyone with a family and caravan doing Melbourne-Cairns and back for the school hollidays, the horse events, and so on can get stuffed. You haven't allowed for the pushback.

You make an important point. In selecting a motor vehicle the first thing you do is look at the culture of the Manufacturer; that will help you avoid a lot of maintenance cost from manufacturers who sell cheap and build cheaper. The next step is the most important; you look at your Application, which you have done here. It's not that hard and it doesn't take that long. I've done Application Ananlysis for more than 12,000 vehicles. In one case a fleet was buying Vehicle A which was 20% cheaper than Vehicle B and the fleet manager told me he was saving tens of thousands of dollars per year. Vehicle A's price advantage was due to a smaller, cheaper engine which needed to be replaced at 80,000 km wheras Vehicle B's engine was lasting to 800,000. I was able to show him, and his own records confirmed that from year 3 he would save $500,000 per year buying vehicle B. Aircraft Anaysis is the same; if you are flying solo the analysis will point to one aircraft, usually smaller and slower, but if you can take four passengers on a cost-shared basis, the lowest hourly travel cost will come from bigger, faster aircraft. EV is no different as your calculations show.

Give me an example of one you are taking about with: Max Power@rpm Max Torque @ rpm Chart showing the curves if you can scan as a jpg. and I'll explain it.

........way that attracts more Victorians to move there each time someone says something in Queensland. They never master the intonation, syntax, and emphasis on certain words though and Queenslanders are quick to identify this and passive reject them aye. Sometime they just don't understand though, like once when Turbo was at a function with a Queensland mate and, just having a bit of fun, said "Have you heard about the scandal in the Logan Council. His mate innocently said "No, what's happened?" (His sister was a Councillor). "Well apparently, one of the female Councillors has been caught moonlighting as a prostitute" Turbo said "Who was it?" asked his mate, some urgency creeping into his voice. "I can't remember" said Turbo, I think her name might have been Shelley." "That's my SISTER!" he replied and.................

That's pretty much the story for the whole of the east coast grid now. The State and Federal Governments are out of cash and borrowing deeply due to the costs of the Covid epidemic. There's no point debating Nuclear now because we've passed the lead time point of recovery and there isn't the money available to build plants anyway. There's no point to more solar or nuclear projects either because they can only produce base load - idle load; they can't expand to peak load like a coal-fired plant can. If you want to see the proof of this, get onto the AEMO site (which covers the Easter Grid of Qld, NSW, Vic, Tas, SA.) and watch the power flow live. The dashboard shows the available power being shuffled to the State with the heatwave. In mild conditions you will see solar and wind making up about 15% to 50% of the grid on base power, the coal stations at idle. Sit there on a hot night and you'll see a vastly different situation, sometimes with power being pulled into South Australia from Victoria, which then pulls from Tas and NSW which then pulls from Queensland which then pulls from the sugar mills. I watched solar and wind one night when it could only produce 1% of the demand. The Federal and State Governments have subsidised the wind farms which have undercut the baseload economics which supported the coal-fired plants. The coal-fired owners have been closing plants and departing Australia, and the governments have allowed this to happen based on the UN global warming agenda. None of them have investigated the little group within the UN that decided in 1968 they could make their funding out of crisis creation; none of them seem to have found the report on ways this could be done and the part where the UN committee said "We've chosen global warming"; none of them have checked their own tidal gauges and found the ocean level hasn't risen since the 19th century in Australia, confirming that Australia isn't warming. So there's a power crisis coming this summer and a solution; Coal-fired power stations are cheap to build and quick to bring on line. Without the UN global warming agenda we don't have to look at an unaffordable fix to our power needs. The governments that have let us down haven't taken this route; they've just started issuing warnings of dire consequences of global warming this summer which will lead to huge blackouts this summer. They pointed to the heatwaves of Europe in their summer just past, even though the northern hemisphere and southern hemisphere weather has completely different patterns. Unfortunately for the governments this is Australia, and if we do have a hot summer this year and solar and wind reliance causes regular blackouts and the general public swings into attack mode, that'll be it for most of the governments and the new governments will know their survival depends on getting to the bottom of this mess. As for electric cars as a means to remove CO2 from our atmosphere, the numbers are already being crunched and starting to appear. We don't generate enough power to charge them and we don't have the 3-phase infrastructure to charge them fast enough. More and more people in the electrical industry have been doing power calculations based on the kilwatt hour demand and consumption of EV, and confirming that Australia will need double to triple the amount of power output three phase power to every street and more substations per suburb. So the EV industry, apart from applications only requiring partial and single phase power, or charging from their own solar system has a finite upper limit where they'll be told to get lost in favour of households, businesses and industries. Now you might say "That's only your imagination; there will be breakthroughs; that's never going to happen". I say "Be my guest and invent these changes to the laws of physics and you'll be a millionaire." Do we have any evidence of issues similar to what Australia is facing? The UK moved harder and faster than us being one of the countries which banned ICE vehicles after 2030. They committed to wind power with ocean based generation around the coast which was going to meet the power requirements of every house in Britain by 2021. They outlawed coal mining and shut down coal-fired power stations as fast as they could. The policy has failed; they couldn't generate the peak power they needed so they started buying power from France, Belgium and Norway, installing undersea power cables. They reversed the legislation banning coal mining and have encouraged fast construction of coal-fired plants. The UK automotive manufacturing industry has been left hanging with, assuming they had trusted the government, existing platforms (complete car designs) of ICE cars set to shut down by 2030, and EV platforms rushed through design for about 3 years so far with exponential development cost to a 2030 production run, now facing a 2030 market which may be demanding ICE. In the US the manufacturers have been more cautious, hitting social media with plans of their "new all EV plants for the modern era." When you look at the number of employees, it's a fraction of a mainstream plant, so easy to shut down if they need to. The EV industry has been touting "Zero Emission" like most promoting EV around the world, but EV only emit zero CO2 if they are charged by CO2-free means. US EV promoters covered that by quoting California, which almost has zero CO2 charging, whenever they could. When this argument fell apart, they quoted a national level which seemed too low to me so I went looking for power generation emissions State by State. Sure enough, like most things in the US, the figures were readily available. For many of the most dense industrial states the power generation was 100% coal-fired. We are hovering in a situation where a lot of chickens are going to come home to roost quite fast. Best to keep up with what's really happening and why.