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Definitely not. I was just trying to make the point that it probably is not valid to make direct comparisons between the two organisations as they are very different beasts.

Inferior, in what way ? I can't see one pilot being considered inferior to another.

Geoff, thank you very much for sharing this with us, thankfully a good outcome.

You obviously failed comprehension at school. By the way HGFA stands for Hangliding Federation of Australia, so LSA and other 3 axis don't come into it where they are concerned. Please don't benchmark RAA against the HGFA as that implies a lack of knowledge

If there are any of you out there that is a RA pilot, holds a Cert 4, aircraft or aerospace engineering background, great inter personel skills and can put up a spiffy PowerPoint presentation then apply for the job. If not, forever hold you peace.

Exactly the opposite ! As I said, you have no idea of what is going on. You obviously don't fly trikes

Only because you don,t know enough about the HGFA and their weight shift operations, training and instructors

They are probably doing it in order to keep us members in the air and flying safely under the auspices of RAA. I will say it again. The world has moved on since Ungrounded's mate invented television and the hay days of rag and tube flying. This is our organisation and they keep us flying so get behind them. If you believe things are going off track and you have the expertise and will to fix it then put up your hand and nominate for a position

V Very true, but we can't go forward if we keep looking to the past. However we do need to bring them with us

I suspect it may be almost impossible to keep the 1970's rag and tube devotees happy and engaged when RA has also to keep big brother aka CASA on side and convinced our organisation is worthy of its support. Apart from trikes, rag and tube aircraft and their pilots are on the decline so RAA future survival lies not with them

Tha In practice may well have been the the case with the slow, low performance wings of the past however I wouldn't do it with the current high performance wings as some are twitchy enough as is. I certainly wouldn't fill the wing space on an Arrow, Bionix or Quick R. There are other storage options without risking the integrity of the wing.

What really concerns me is that most of the posters on this thread actually get airborne from time to time. ( Bull, that includes you and I )

It is a shame that you want to retain your headset at Flycom make an excellent integrated helmet. Super comfortable, various tint visors and good audio

Bull, who do you spend most of your time flying with, Wilbur or OrvIlle ?

Are you referring to us pilots or our aircraft

Hey bull, why are you concerned about this anyway. In one of your rants on another thread you said you had given up flying. Just make sure the next pursuit or sport you take up has an association which offers free membership, free paper magazine and caters for technical Luddites

Hey bull, don't be in such a hurry in selling you beaut little AUF plane and giving up flying before you consult with someone who can surgically remove that chip(s) off your shoulder. Don't go we will miss you

Having ridden, raced and sold motorcycles for over 40 years I can tell you that you are both partly right however maybe we should move the discussion off this thread.

Given that the only area of growth in RA is LSA and trikes you may struggle to get enough members to form an association. Maybe a small club of 10 or 20, however if you do a mail out to nursing homes and cemetery trusts you may drum up A couple more.

How did we get to W&B and overloading issues with regard to this tragedy ? Initial report mentions wind gusts and how the trike was effected. Asmol - I suggest you avail yourself of a good tech book on weight shift flight before post again as your ignorance on the subject is glaring.

On our annual flyaway in May we departed Echuca with 20 knots of crosswind and a trike experienced what appears to be a very similar situation not far above tree level. In our pilots case apart from a severe tightening of the sphincter his training kicked in and he made the correct control inputs. Asmol, rather than posting ill informed comments such as above you should sit back and try and learn from experienced pilots such as Alf when it comes to both 2 and 3 axis flying. My condolences also to his family and friends.

I think you may be using a bit of load there to support your argument . I trained 2yrs ago and paid $130 p/h and a mate is currently training in a Jab at $165. I believe the cost of training for an articulated truck licence is even more than that. Once again, maybe flying for you is no longer affordable. Shame you will miss it

Hey bull, the crux of most of your posts seem related to costs and money. Maybe it's time to admit that you just can't afford to fly. What about a trip to the hobby shop for a RC 182 kit. No, hang on a minute that will cost in excess of $250 more than annual RA rego. Oh well.

Bruce, not sure where or how you aquired your pilots licence but I can assure you that when I was training for my RAA licence I DID sit a real flight theory exam. One that required an understanding of theory and calculations. I tend to agree with K Man however. I now understand the theory and concepts required for safe flight and navigation and employ today's technology to achieve that. I too have misplaced my log tables and slide rule