Ballpoint 246niner

Excellent ABC doco and I have watched it three times already. 9948m and only mild frost bite- incredible! Shows clearly the dangers in pushing the limits with weather. It wins most times....

CFI (and others), would you know the wherebouts of the Buckley's? ( Dick & Cath) Dick used to fly Catalina's in the war and later in life was out tug pilot with a beautiful Super Cub at Lake Keepit. I loved that plane and it's got me thinking about a Savage Cub at the moment.

Let's talk offline Patrick- we should be able to get you there!

I am confident in saying the J120 has a certified MTOW of 500kg and that's not likely to change. I believe that the longer wings were used in a number of export markets to meet local CAR requirements for those countries and renamed as UL accordingly.

You're right Turbo, I have also a few hrs in a local 170, and our conditions and yours are markedly different, I guess the manufacturers only have to meet the demonstrated crosswind performance for LSA testing, beyound that it's you and me as test pilots. My opinion is that the 170 is definately slower in roll response, even with the bigger ailerons, but it does have a larger rudder with better authority. Your experience seems to suggest not enough, combined with the reduced pitch moment dampening. Are things getting hairy in gusts under the tested 14 kts x-wind ?

Yep I'm rostered on so see you sat Tomo.

Shags I keep telling Tomo to come over and I'll take him up in one of or Echo's- one go and he'll forget going to GA!;)

Motz, I reckon you've nailed it with your answer, as many of you know I own a 120 and teach in Tecnam's. So it's easy to forget if you're either Arthur or Martha- and I'm neither! The Jab likes lot's of airflow, but too much at the wrong time and it's very slippery. Just ask anyone who's tried to get a 230 to land from 70 kts! The Teccie couldn't really care if it's 40 or 100kts, the linearity in it's behavior is fantastic. For those of you who have flown Sierra's you'll know that the Lam wing sacrifices some of these niceties for performance and that's also the decision Jab has had to make- it's all a compromise. The all flying tail on the tecnam gives great authority at low airspeeds, propwash alone gives enough to raise the nose. But compare the control surface sizes on any of the jabs- much smaller ergo more speed required to be more effective. On the flip side you can buy 2 J160's for the price of a new echo, or close to it so is it any wonder there are so many Jab's - theyre really are great bang for buck. They're both very good airplanes, but nothings perfect, so realise the differences, fly them accordingly, and be a better pilot for mastering them both!

About 15 yrs ago I was part of a local 48 way attempt, we had three goes but busted at 43. even tho we never made it, to dock and look over at some 40 friends was not only intense but extremely satisfying. to do this and as you say, better it twice is a phenomenal effort- congrats to all involved.

Hassell!!

:cool:For a minute there I thought you were suggesting Tomo was my optomitrist! He can work on my car but I wouldn't dare let you near my eyes:cool:

I will definately be there next year no matter what- Very impressed in the support, organisation, and focus this year. I've got the low temp sleeping bag sorted!!

Tomo, I've put in a written expression for Evans Head with a plan to retire there- Peter Lynch was quoted that blocks would be around $250K! Then said in another statement it would not be for the rich and famous!! Add 250+ for a house and 65 for a hangar or architect combo and it'll owe close to $600k Temora's a long way from home for you young man- but $$ wise a much better proposition. Few go wrong with real estate, but buying for your passion you need to be extra careful. I got real close to buying a chalet at Watts but the sub leasing from the water board is a real hassle and you can only live there temporarily. Ok if you work O/S or are itinerint.

No I won't change! After the Jab it's a Piper sport- STOP- you won't make me change. Good one tomo, sorry I missed getting there. Cheers.

Hey Patrick, well done yesterday and great to turn talk(on the forum) into flying as we did yesterday. Look forward to flying with you again soon.

Can I suggest that the coastal route wouldn't be a problem, and the expected southerlies should give good assist. Know thy VNC!! I hear lot's of VCA's in the 2500' step at Murwullimbah and behind Coolangatta( Mt Somerville!!), so please get it right if you go this way. Cross at Jacobs and follow the islands to Moreton then over to Bribie- Bundy and then west should work out fine- stay out of Maroochy airspace after 7.45am local though. Going west is traffic easier but again check Amberley status and fog may raise it's head as dewpoint will be low tomorrow. This route has a lot of tiger country, but cloud should not be a problem tomorrow- returning may be different. Hope this helps- and stay warm 8 degrees tonight!

Now have flight school commitments on the Sat/Sun so Monday may be my only chance. Stay tuned- plans change like the weather.

Nice to say hello Gasdive- good to get some more fabric in the threads! Also a long term hangie, triker and glass ship go faster. We've got a couple of doodle buggers up here too. Welcome aboard.

RWY 24 " no takeoff on 24 unless emergency or inclement weather"- I guess the emergency that early must have been the bacon getting burnt at Gatton! You're right Shag's it's there to keep the hospital happy, most who do use it for the stronger SWesterlies always turn early to avoid overflying the houses. Landings are OK if wind dictates. At least the thread seems to have gathered some steam- good for sharing.

I was there that day shags- yep that's how it went and YCAB CTAF places a lot of demand on good radio procedures. Pretty hard when you can't get a (Important) word in.We could all write a book from things I see daily there. Last weekend's rwy24 operations were interesting. Fess up time - I went to enter not long ago at YRED 07 and failed to see a finals aircraft behind 2 hovering choppers, I made the entering call and was quickly advised( in certain terms). Radio worked in this case and was the right back up for my lack of vigilence- As Facthunters says "Never stop learning" On the other side, I've had a RV6 cut through downwind right at 1040' in front and numerous A/C on non operational opposite ccts and many more. I don't blame them, there's no point, just glad I saw them first. At the end of the day there's no point being dead right. Look, listen,lament, learn and hopefully laugh about it!

Hey Spin, Tomo- yep great day, the committee were very happy with turnout. It's a great spot and deserves our support. People were asking bout you Tomo, but I thought you were busy. I had student commitments early but this was OK with the early fog. Am going to Monto on Sat, may leave friday and back Sat pm or early Sunday morning. Be good to see u both. Cheers Ballpoint,

Just thought I'd let everyone know Caboolture has converted to a PIN credit card (visa/MCard). But it is not shown on the shell site list. Does anyone know if Bundy has converted as well- just thinking in realtion to Monto in a few weeks.

Good work mate, your penmanship is reflecting your flying, thoughtful, enjoyable and dare I say it entertaining, as Bluey said- glad to be a part of it. You are a proud example of the future in flying, keep it up! Now we expect a follow up on the trials of the GA conversion! Have you started??

Well first of all can I say you will definately notice the differences nathj. They are different A/C in many ways. The issue really boils down to how comfortable you are developing the right primacies in your flying with good instruction on both sides.No doubt the differences in a/c types and the way they behave is as diverse as the models currently available in oz. You will need to adapt to these differences easily to keep your training progressing at the appropriate rate for you. A pioneer, jabiru, tecnam, texan, foxbat, cessna, drifter will all have different nose references for attitude, different roll and adverse characteristics, different sensitivities, cockpit layouts etc etc- experienced pilots with well developed primary skills develop good aircraft feel and can adapt to most different types quickly- not so easy for low hour students. Neccesity is the mother of invention so go with what you have available- different airtime is better than less, and eventually it will develop you to be a better pilot. But hopefully your instructors will provide feedback if they sense that your development is being adversely affected. Remember finally, REAL experience is not doing the same thing a million times, it really is doing many different things in many different situations, many times that will make you a better pilot. Good luck with your training!

Here, Here JR- you got it!