prowse Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 I am posting here to let you all learn from my mistake I landed a J160 on sunday too hard and damaged the nose gear. The cause..... I was distracted on landing by a breaker going off which caused the EFIS to flash off then switch back on, this allowed me to inadvertantly allow the aircraft to reach an unacceptable sink rate, when I looked up, I saw way to much of the ground out the front for my liking, the resopnse to this was to pull back, and apply full throttle, allowing the Attitude of the aircraft to be resored, and reducing the sink rate. Unfortunatly the sinkrate was still high enough that the nose gear was bent, and the Aircraft is now being repaired. There was no need for any instraments to land from 30ft above the runway, even if the thing was on fire (it wasn't), there is nothing that can be done that is more important than landing the plane. My flying record was perfect, I have been an Aircraft engineer since 1994, and flying since 1991 yet still I suffered from what could have been Fatal Stupidity. The lesson Above all else, no mater the distractions, LAND THE DAMN PLANE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowse Posted March 24, 2011 Author Share Posted March 24, 2011 Much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 You've covered it, prowse. Telling others is a good thing. If people of your experience can be distracted, others should pay attention. Some aircraft have a lot of warning gadgets that can distract you too. Ignore things that don't matter. Safe flying is a matter of assessing priorities. Human factors anyone? Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ozzie Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 That old saying? Aviate, navigate, communicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Thanks for the painless lesson, prowse; I'm sure lots of us will rejig our attitude to distractions as a result. Your condour may save a life. Time for me to 'fess up as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowse Posted March 24, 2011 Author Share Posted March 24, 2011 No prob, Thanks for the kind words all :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Thankyou Prowse, its alway great to have formulites share, when they make mistakes as we are human and we all make mistakes.Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guernsey Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 We all learn more from our mistakes so it stands to reason that if you never make mistakes you are not a very knowledgeable fellow. Stone the crows, I have made so many mistakes I should be an absolute know all by now. LOL Alan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maj Millard Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Good to hear you came out without too much damage Prowse. I've noticed a couple of times in the past that if you don't pay due attention to the art of flying, it'll take the opportunity everytime to kick you in the arxx !!..............................Cheers Maj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueline Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 I am the owner of the J160 that got bent. Two things I really want to share. 1. I really respect the attitude of Prowse. You can tell a lot about a person when the chips are down. 2. The J160 is flying again. Thanks to Jabiru aircraft - parts in Ballarat within 48 hours and a big thanks to Ian Anderson for getting it back together. Even after a bad day like this I still enjoy being involved in RAAus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Onya Blueline - and to Prowse for the post. This is a great example of overriding our egos for the greater good. Focus. Aviate. Survive. Does Ian Anderson still play flute for Jethro Tull? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Prowse.....pat on the back for owning up to ur own mistake...but most importantly for learning from it!! glad that it was only the nose gear damaged, and not the entire aircraft and occupant/s..liz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket1172 Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Good onya guys for the honesty. We can all learn from our mistakes, and others. We are only human after all. And like others have said already, could have been alot worse, but it wasn't. Ego's are damaged easily, like aircraft, but the strong rebuild them quickly. And above all: It doesn't make you any lesser of an aviator by making mistakes. It's just how you learn and manage them. Rod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Thanks, reinforces the need for concentration in the right direction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfGnome Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Good stuff. Thanx for sharing. The 160 won't forgive you if you take your eyes of the ball in the final stages of any approach. 3 things to remember. 1. Fly the plane 2. Fly the plane 3. Fly the plane cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowse Posted March 24, 2011 Author Share Posted March 24, 2011 Thanks All again Glad the J160 is Flying again :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballpoint 246niner Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Thanks All againGlad the J160 is Flying again :) This is one of the best threads I have read in recent times, thanks Prowse for your honest introspective assesments and as many experienced forumites have added you have already embraced the core of good airmanship and effects of human factors. Good luck ( and judgement) with your flying future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil_S Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Does Ian Anderson still play flute for Jethro Tull? Hehe Slarti, Now you are showing your age! I remember seeing Jethro Tull at Birmingham University in the UK a LOOOOONG time ago! I also just saw Santana for the first time last week at Rod Laver Arena....only waited 40 years....excellent stuff! Cheers Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Student Pilot Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Hearing aids on full volume Niel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil_S Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Pardon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ozzie Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Santana playing tonight just down the road. We saw them a couple of years ago there, well worth the cost. Concerts are so expensive now. Nearly a top name act every week lately. Sting a few weeks ago. Have to be selective at 160 bucks a ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maj Millard Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 When I lived and worked in the San Francisco bay area, in the 80s and 90s, there was the annual free concert in Golden Gate park in the true Hippy style. Carlos was always on the bill along with locals such as Grace slick, Linda Ronstadt, Quicksilver Messenger service, Boz Scaggs, BB King, Steve Miller, Gratefull Dead etc etc. I always gave Carlos my vote for the most baggy clothes on a human being ever !. He also owned a large health food store in the Mexican Mission district of SF, and it wasn't unusual to see him stocking shelfs or even manning the cash register on occasions .Just another friendly local......................................................................Maj... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil_S Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 When I lived and worked in the San Francisco bay area, in the 80s and 90s, there was the annual free concert in Golden Gate park in the true Hippy style. Carlos was always on the bill along with locals such as Grace slick, Linda Ronstadt, Quicksilver Messenger service, Boz Scaggs, BB King, Steve Miller, Gratefull Dead etc etc. I always gave Carlos my vote for the most baggy clothes on a human being ever !.He also owned a large health food store in the Mexican Mission district of SF, and it wasn't unusual to see him stocking shelfs or even manning the cash register on occasions .Just another friendly local......................................................................Maj... Ah Maj, now you have got me really jealous! Along with Santana, Grace Slick & Jefferson Airplane used to be one of my fave bands when I was a teenager. And when I lived in London a bunch of us from work used to go and see BB King every time he played at Hammersmith Odeon. What a superb showman, and he is still playing gigs even now! Cheers Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maj Millard Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Yes what a great musican BB is. Whilst also living in London I had the pleasure to attend a Muddy waters concert, another great showman unfortunatly no longer with us, but in the same style as BB..............................................Cheers Maj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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