PA. Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 VH OFF Power Driven Aeroplane with TRICYCLE-RETRACTABLE landing gear 2 Piston engines Manufacturer: PIPER AIRCRAFT CORP Model: PA-31 Serial number: 31-7812064 Aircraft first registered in Australia: 01 November 1985 Year of manufacture: 1978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guernsey Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 A good emergency landing with a very good outcome. Alan. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Normoyle Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 The conditions were challenging also, crosswind of 10-15knots and hot, so well done, I'd fly with this pilot anytime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airangel Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Why did someone spray out the rego numbers after the incident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PA. Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Why did someone spray out the rego numbers after the incident? Because it's naughty to do it before the accident. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 ive got images of two blokes standing beside the plane whistling and saying..'wasnt me" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Normoyle Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Not sure on that one, I thought it was a bit strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherk Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Why did someone spray out the rego numbers after the incident? .............Photoshop ...?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Its in the article, the rego was sprayed with paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Evison Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 The conditions were challenging also, crosswind of 10-15knots and hot, so well done, I'd fly with this pilot anytime. Im a low hour trike pilot but i regularly take off and land in such conditions surely a heavy twin can handle such winds with ease?? or was this a piss take i missed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Normoyle Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 No piss take Nick, when a twin looses an engine it's hard enough, but with a lot of crosswind it's gets much harder, you quickly run out of rudder authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Unless of course the xwind was from the live engine side:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 And also if the failed engine was the critical engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Normoyle Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Nah Moz, looks like it was the dead engine side, don't know if the PA31 has a critical engine, don't know that one ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf jessup Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Fair comment, and I don't know Navajos well enough to really identify which model that one is, but if it's a 310C (which by its manufacture date it probably is), the quoted single-engine ROC is 245 fpm (which should be at MTOW) - which is certainly not inspiring. However, it's entirely fair to say that some Navajo's had single-engine performance that put them in the 'climbs like a homesick lobster' class, so I apologise for ruffling feathers here. Nil injuries and a relatively straight airframe considering is certainly an outcome for which the pilot can take much credit. No feathers ruffled here, You must remember the quoted ROC is when the aircraft is spick & span brand new not 30 years old and tired. Alf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 No feathers ruffled here, You must remember the quoted ROC is when the aircraft is spick & span brand new not 30 years old and tired.Alf And its cleaned up, ball half a ball out to the good engine, and blue line maintained. At sea level, on a good day. Generally, the second engine just takes you to the crash site. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueline Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Twins on one engine? rule of thumb is 80% loss of performance due to increasing drag and reducing thrust (great heap of issues going on that can keep a bored instructor talking for hours!). Having said that they do climb a lot better than a single engine aircraft after an engine failure! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf jessup Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 And its cleaned up, ball half a ball out to the good engine, and blue line maintained. At sea level, on a good day. Generally, the second engine just takes you to the crash site. Andy, we both think on the same level, I quoted the same on post 21 about the second engine leading you to the crash site, all cleaned up ect ect. Alf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf jessup Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Twins on one engine? rule of thumb is 80% loss of performance due to increasing drag and reducing thrust (great heap of issues going on that can keep a bored instructor talking for hours!).Having said that they do climb a lot better than a single engine aircraft after an engine failure! Blueline, The single has an advantage, once it fails all you got to do is trim it up and look for somewhere to land, the twin you got everything happening all at once and that second engine trying to kill you if you don't get it right. I'll take a piston single out any day over a piston twin losing one on take off with the runway behind you. I will take the twin though if I got a decent gap between me and mother nature. Alf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Just doubles the chances of an engine failure!! Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf jessup Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Just doubles the chances of an engine failure!! Lol Well I recon there maybe a few of them happening soon with a new Sth African aircraft getting tinkered with at the mo. Just sayin and not bashin lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Oh god!!! Could you think of anything worse?? Two of them!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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