Deskpilot Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Just look at the engine in this unique 3 wheeler car and suggest it's hp. Wonderful piece of work, up for sale if not already sold. Do you think it could be modified for aircraft use? http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19766/lot/379/?page_anchor=MR1_page_lots%3D71%26MR1_results_per_page%3D5%26MR1_module_instance_reference%3D1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 It's probably only about 100 hp. There has been plenty of three cylinder radials made in the early days, but I would like to see more smaller cylinders than 3 big ones for compactness and smoothness. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Typical 3 wheeler. the old Morgans had 3 wheels and 3 cylinder radials. I can't remember if they were JAP or Villiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunder Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Just look at the engine in this unique 3 wheeler car and suggest it's hp. Wonderful piece of work, up for sale if not already sold. Do you think it could be modified for aircraft use? My guess is heavy.....really heavy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi303 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 If it's what I think it is, it's pretty solid built... I'm thinking the machined from solid bar used aluminum, but didn't really thin it out all the way, the external case sides look pretty slabbed flat. They mention Long Life... not Light and Sporty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 R1100 motors are good for 85hp, so the R100 are only going to come in the low 70s. twin plug conversion, so someone knew what they where doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 on the Morgan 3 wheelers the engines were V twins some air cooled and some water jacketed. Single driving wheel at the rear and two sprung wheels at the front. Engines used were generally Vee Twins (there was a single) Roughly in order of production. JAP KTW 1000cc water cooled sidevalve Vee twin Jap JTOR 1000 cc air cooled OHV Vee twin. JAP LTOW 1100 cc water cooled OHV Vee Twin Swiss MAG "F" head 2C OA 1100 water cooled vee twin. Blackburn KMC 1100cc water cooled vee twin Precision SV 1100cc Aircooled vee twin Anzani MZ vee twin liquidcooled Anzani 8 valve vee twin aircooled Blumfield SV water cooled vee twin Matchless MX4 vee twin aircooled OHV Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deskpilot Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 Thanks for to come back guys. Still think it's a lovely bit of engineering by someone else who thinks outside square.(see my signature) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Some of those Rotec Radials have been put in a bike. Different. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBob Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 There was also a Morgan with a Vincent/HRD up front, Nev. Unless that was a bitzer. Lovely looking things (the Morgans, not that thing in the pic), but quite lethal: driving would have been like one long continuous landing in a tail-dragger (for all the same reasons), plus one touch of those impossible-to-balance rod brakes and round you went anyway. And doubly exciting in the wet! Great long chain from gearbox to rear wheel, they broke a lot due to snatch with the low revving engines. Raced for a while at Brands Hatch, but too many accidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBob Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Oh look, you don't even have to have wings for that genuine taildragger experience: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffreywh Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Bitza. The greatest thing about Morgans ( I had a Super Aero 2 speeder ) was driving on snowed roads, whereby the rear wheel would constantly slide down to the kerb and you drove in a permant side-slip. The Messersmidt was faster, The Isetta more reliable, and the Heinkel most fun.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBob Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Mm. Later on they put a conventional engine under the hood: I met someone who had one, he reckoned it was tired and clapped out until one night it suddenly picked up it's heels and gave him about 5 minutes of terrifying performance, ending with a loud bang and silence. Lifting the hood and peering in with a torch, he claimed he could see through what was left of the block to the road. He reasoned that something...loss of oil or cooling...had caused everything to overheat and tighten up, giving him as-new compression for that short but wonderful time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBob Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Folk can't resist trying to make things fly, though, can they? Here, the Vincent/HRD aero engine. Apparently? : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamloops Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 What is vx in knots for that table? ☺ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBob Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Hard to say. I'd say the drag would be pretty low, for starters. But the real horror would be leaving and arriving: since it's clearly a modified tea-wagon, it'll have those little castor things on all 4 legs (rather like Australian shopping trolleys, now I think about it). So, while one can have as much crab as one wants, it will make no difference at all to the general direction in which one is proceeding.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 The aero Vincent is a "Queen Bee" used for target drone work. The Morgan engines I listed are the ones used by the factory up to about 1931. There's a lot of Morgan 3 wheeler copies using all kinds of engines Moto Guzzi, Harley etc There are reproduction JAP engines All aluminium air cooled.with dual magneto's and 1200 cc.etc That engine is worth about $20K to buy. I have driven them. I prefer an outfit (Bike and sidecar). .Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBob Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 An outfit. Or combination, as we called them: that would be another exciting way to come unstuck, as i discovered on the night that I lifted the sidecar and the swinger climbed back in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBob Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 And the aero Vincent is a Picador. I doubt it was used in the Queen Bee, which was a pilotless DH82... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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