Jim McDowall Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 It appears that CASR Part 149 was repealed on 15th July. https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2018L01030 . A check of the most recent compilation of CASR reveals that Part 149 is "reserved for future use". What is going on? Have resources been wasted on this farce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Communications Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 I think its basically a renaming by the look of it. The whole instrument was called just Part 149 but it is repealled and it is now known as Part 149—Approved self‑administering aviation organisations Thats sort of how I read it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McDowall Posted August 5, 2019 Author Share Posted August 5, 2019 The Federal Register of Legislation has no record of a replacement regulation since the date of repeal of previous legislation. Thats sort of how I read it Where did you read it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Communications Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 The very irst part of te document it states that the original part 149...then it goes on to rename the instrument to the new one Part 149—Approved self‑administering aviation organisations Its different wording of the titel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Well if we cannot understand the title of it, what chance do we have of understanding the wording of it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Communications Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 I agree Yenn....why do they write this stuff in gobbledygook...I suppose its so we the people cant understand the rot they come up with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 They're not expecting people to disect it. Legislation usually has a name change when it moves from a Bill to an Act. It's the final name which counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McDowall Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 Maybe it has something to do with the SAAA refusing to become a Part149 ASAO. https://www.australianflying.com.au/latest/sport-aircraft-association-out-of-part-149 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McDowall Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 It appears that the paperwork has now caught up. The original regulation was repealed on 15 July by force of legislation. There was a complilation of the CASR on 14 July 2019 but it was not registered until 6 August which means that for 3 weeks there was technically no Part 149. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Maybe it has something to do with the SAAA refusing to become a Part149 ASAO. https://www.australianflying.com.au/latest/sport-aircraft-association-out-of-part-149 SAAA are controlled by CASA, so what the report says is logical, and Part 149 would not apply to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 I think it's more that the SAAA have always had the VH PPL and above licences as the basis of pilot standards for their people and don't (and cannot afford) to do their own pilot training across the whole country Conversions on some RARE types are a problem though. Note these are my observations and best attempt at explaining the situation. I am not a full member of SAAA. and don't claim to speak for them. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 SAAA are not an ASAO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 That's the point They choose to not be, but if CASA are wanting to quit the role, eventually SAAA will have to adjust or amalgamate. The country is too big and they are too small to spread their resources that thinly.. In this game you have to be able to actually achieve the things you think you can manage, or have been forced to manage, and do them well or you have just made a big rod for your own back. and are bound to fail. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 SAAA are administered by CASA and have been for years and would be too small to self administer, given their narrow cross section of aircraft, and are not giving CASA any grief. Better to focus on the issues RAA faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
440032 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 As Turboplanner said correctly, SAAA are not (and never have been) a self administering sport aviation body (like RAAus, GFA etc), and so are not eligible to participate in Part 149. SAAA did not refuse to be Part 149, we were always lead to believe we would be eligible (if we wanted it), we participated in CASA briefings and so forth, with other organisations there as well, then the rug was pulled out from under us at the last minute. Hence the notification to members that SAAA has concluded Part 149 considerations. We are not even eligible. No point wasting one more minute on it. Good luck to the first organisation that jumps into the 149 bathtub from the seven meter platform. Many other groups will be watching and waiting to see how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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