red750 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 A report of a light aircraft crashing in Queensland after making a radio call over Hervey Bay. The pilot escaped with a cut over the eye, but the aircraft caught fire and was destroyed. No other details available at time of writing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 He was either one lucky pilot, or a very skilled pilot, to be able to get her down in one piece, and get out before it burnt. That one won't ever fly again. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13026787/Dundowran-beach-fraser-coast-aircraft-incident.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Fuselage burned. Fuel is in the wings?? Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area-51 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Cessna 🤔🤔🤔 maybe he was a farmer moving a load of phosphate and drums of diesel to his other farm 🤔 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 That would make a fairly big hole I would think but there must have been SOMETHING there to burn like that. "whisper"( Ammonium Nitrate) Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) Dunno if ammonium nitrate would burn. Could be wrong. Potassium nitrate is used by farmers too, that will oxidise aluminium and steel nicely, turned the whole thing into one giant flare. Potassium nitrate, or potash is the oxidiser in black gunpowder and solid fuel rockets. Ammonium nitrate is used as a plastic explosive. Normally needs a shock wave to set it off. I believe American soldiers used to burn C4 as a camp fire fuel in Vietnam, it's that benign. That's just speculation. I'm not sure there's a reason to carry lots of that in a plane, I would have thought you would normally truck it Edited February 4 by danny_galaga 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 ammonium Nitrate is a strong oxidiser and will explode with oil or organic matter. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, facthunter said: ammonium Nitrate is a strong oxidiser and will explode with oil or organic matter. Nev Doesn't it need a supersonic shock wave to knock the oxygen molecule lose though? Hence it's use as a plastic explosive? Potassium nitrate oxygen molecule is ready to strip off with just heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) Just googled. Extreme heat due fire can release oxygen in ammonium nitrate, resulting in explosion, like in Beirut. I stand corrected on that front. Still as you've pointed out, this wasn't an explosion. Edited February 4 by danny_galaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) C4 is not Ammonium Nitrate, and yes it does burn without exploding. C4 is a plastic explosive that is composed of RDX (Cyclotrimethylene-trinitramine) as the main explosive ingredient, along with a plasticizer and a binder. Ammonium Nitrate purchases, storage of it, and transport of same is highly controlled here and it is extremely unlikely the aircraft was carrying any of it. You need a permit to buy more than a small amount of Ammonium Nitrate, unless you can prove you have a specific approved need for it, such as agricultural use. In bulk amounts, it is classed as Dangerous Goods. Every State has Dangerous Goods (Security Risk Substances) legislation which oversees everything to do with products that can be explosive and which can be sought out by criminals and terrorists. The aircraft fire does seem to have been exacerbated by additional flammable or oxidising material. It will be interesting to see what comes out of the crash report. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-ammonium-nitrate-the-chemical-that-exploded-in-beirut/ https://www.police.wa.gov.au/Your-Safety/Counter-terrorism/Ammonium-nitrate-and-explosives#:~:text=Ammonium nitrate is commonly used,sought by terrorists and criminals. Edited February 4 by onetrack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingVizsla Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Here's more pictures - Man's incredible act after plane obliterated in horrific crash 7NEWS.COM.AU The man issued a mayday call to Hervey Bay Airport before crashing on a private property. The Fraser Coast Chronicle (the local paper) has an article, but it is behind a paywall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueadventures Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 A guess is maybe a fuel line leak or ruptured fuel tank that leaked fuel into cabin area and ignition on impact??? Don't know just a guess as the discussion is about the fire damage and how it occurred. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area-51 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Let's just go with "Aliens from out of space with ray guns" as official cause. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 It IS extremely ODD that the cabin was completely burnt and the wing unscathed where the fuel IS. There's enough plastic there to burn NOT EXPLODE. I use it as a fertiliser. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 15 hours ago, Blueadventures said: A guess is maybe a fuel line leak or ruptured fuel tank that leaked fuel into cabin area and ignition on impact??? Don't know just a guess as the discussion is about the fire damage and how it occurred. That was my thought too. Just the right circumstances that the fuel continued to flow while burning in the cabin. A giant kerosene lamp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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