More door distractions • Blancolirio's frustration.

[Garfly]

 

 

 

[facthunter]

ALL covered.  Nev

[Garfly]

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

ALL covered.  Nev

 

Yeah, that's the whole point Juan Browne is making in the video. 

 

It's ALL been covered. Again and again.  In fact he quotes from Raytheon's 1990 Mandatory Service Bulletin wherein the company begs pilots NOT to try to fix an open door in flight; to just FLY THE PLANE to a safe landing. 

 

He goes out of his way to include shots of a Baron door latch mechanism and to interview a seasoned Beechcraft instructor who says he likes to startle trainees by opening the door in-flight, on purpose, so they're more likely to stay cool if it ever happens to them. That's a bit new.

 

And this latest pointless fatal that Blancolirio analyses happened but a few days ago. Thus his frustration.

 

Covered but not assimilated. 

 

The point is, the same - or something similar - can easily happen to any of us who fly.

 

Who can forget the 1972 crash of the Eastern Airlines L-1011 Tristar in Florida killing over 100?

 

Due entirely to the crew's distraction by a single blown bulb in the gear indicator.

 

 

Eastern Air Lines Flight 401 - Wikipedia

EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

 

Edited May 20 by Garfly

[pmccarthy]

Who hasn’t had a door pop open? It seems a big problem in the Bonanza for some reason.

[Garfly]

 

1 hour ago, pmccarthy said:

Who hasn’t had a door pop open? It seems a big problem in the Bonanza for some reason.

 

 

Yes ... and it was just a couple of months ago that Juan posted this one:

 

Another Door Distraction Disaster 9 Mar Lancaster PA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6xr2P4YOLE&t=325s

 

[ClintonB]

I had the Cessna window pop out on takeoff once, bit of a startle, but I kept on until a safe height to close it. Only closed it due to rustling of charts on leg board and noise level.

[Jabiru7252]

I failed to check the door on a PA28 and flew a nav with it ajar. Apart from noise it was no drama. A friend flew a jabiru and the passenger door popped open so he landed in a paddock. He was scared it would blow off and take out the horizontal stabilizer. 

[facthunter]

You are advised ton open them when force landing so they don't Jamb closed. Plenty of Cessna's fly with the door removed when Meat bombing. Done plenty of that and it doesn't appear to affect the Performance Much Having people hanging out on the strut does.  Nev

[facthunter]

General elementary Check list is Hatches, Harness, trim mixture pitch etc.  Hatches secure and locked Basic stuff.  It's an AEROPLANE, Ralph. Nev

Edited May 21 by facthunter

[Garfly]

 

Yep, basic stuff. But it 'ain't just the careless and incompetent that get it wrong, Ralph.

 

 

"During the high-speed takeoff roll, the co-pilot mistakenly pulled back the left-hand thrust lever instead of the control column. This caused a sudden reduction in engine thrust at over 190 mph, triggering an emergency stop on the runway."  AirlineRatings.com 20/5/25

 

British Airways Pilot Error Sparked Gatwick Runway Fire

WWW.AIRLINERATINGS.COM

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A fire on a British Airways plane that shut down Gatwick Airport’s main runway was caused by a critical pilot error, an investigation has revealed.

 

[facthunter]

A competent and careful PILOT would NOT have done THAT  A brake fire  from a  high speed is NOT unusual with heavy braking. The PNF calls V1 and ROTATE at speeds both are aware of. The pull back on the stick is not sudden..  EVER.  Not much of an  article really. Nev

[Garfly]

52 minutes ago, facthunter said:

A competent and careful PILOT would NOT have done THAT  A brake fire  from a  high speed is NOT unusual with heavy braking. The PNF calls V1 and ROTATE at speeds both are aware of. The pull back on the stick is not sudden..  EVER.  Not much of an  article really. Nev

 

It's not like you to be so dismissive of Human Factors.

 

I am not, at all, and remain wary of the human I'm responsible for up there. (Some would say for good reason  ;- )

 

Heck, once, not so long ago, I started going for flaps down when I wanted flaps up. 

 

So I'm a bit interested.  Anyway, the article above is, I'd say, a fair summary of the official AAIB Bulletin, which is linked here:

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/681b144c386c17c856f17359/Boeing_777-236_G-VIIT_05-25.pdf

 

 

 

And, for anyone who thinks it might be relevant to them, a few key excerpts:

 

"At the time of the incident, the co-pilot had 6,156 hours total flying time, with 2,700 hours on type, and 44 hours in the last 28 days"

 

"The report ... discusses the industry-wide challenge of preventing action slips."

 

"An action slip occurs when an action is not performed as intended, arising in routine or highly learned motor action sequences . The operator ... found that absence of cognitive thought and speed of execution commonly featured during action slips, such as flap and landing gear mis-selections."

 

"The operator described taking a cautious approach to publicising specific incidents to its crew, given industry experience suggests the act of discussing mis-selections might actually prime crew towards, rather than against, making them.  It has included ‘mis-selections’ in a new ‘Safety topic’ section of its pre-flight briefing material for crew, and promoted the human factors topic of ‘Focus’ in its recurrent simulator training package."

 

 

[Underwood]

18 hours ago, Garfly said:

 

Yep, basic stuff. But it 'ain't just the careless and incompetent that get it wrong, Ralph.

 

 

"During the high-speed takeoff roll, the co-pilot mistakenly pulled back the left-hand thrust lever instead of the control column. This caused a sudden reduction in engine thrust at over 190 mph, triggering an emergency stop on the runway."  AirlineRatings.com 20/5/25

 

British Airways Pilot Error Sparked Gatwick Runway Fire

WWW.AIRLINERATINGS.COM

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A fire on a British Airways plane that shut down Gatwick Airport’s main runway was caused by a critical pilot error, an investigation has revealed.

 

I have done similar once when flying a Skyranger from the right hand seat practicing stalls my muscle memory from many hours in the left seat where the controls are opposite handed took over for an instant.

[facthunter]

I'm very versed with human factors but yo don't just grab  Something and move it without checking it.  In a Normal shutdown You say No 1  engine throttle CONFIRM ........  What was the other pilot doing? Why not just restore the Power? You instinctively handle the yaw.  . No one's a one man band in a multicrew operation..  Nev

[pmccarthy]

Instinctively handling the yaw didn't work for me yesterday. I flew for the first time after two months away on holiday and couldn't get my feet to work. A few circuits and a short local got me back into it, but the first takeoff had me way left of centreline. I think the three takeoffs and landings before taking passengers is a good rule!

[Headwind]

On 22/5/2025 at 3:20 PM, facthunter said:

I'm very versed with human factors but yo don't just grab  Something and move it without checking it.  In a Normal shutdown You say No 1  engine throttle CONFIRM ........  What was the other pilot doing? Why not just restore the Power? You instinctively handle the yaw.  . No one's a one man band in a multicrew operation..  Nev

It’s ironic that you have (below your posts) the words ‘never stop learning’. Yet many of your posts indicate that you shut up shop, closed your mind and stopped learning a long time ago. Case in point is your love of using capital letters; generally considered in communications to be shouting at the reader. If you wish to emphasise a point then use italics, or rarely, capitals. 

[spacesailor]

I , had to learn that .

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Stop shouting . LoL

spacesailor