Air India crash

[Roundsounds]

10 hours ago, onetrack said:

I flew on one of Virgins B737-8FE's today (VH-YQR), and while waiting to load everyone on, I looked up the history of the aircraft.

 

I was surprised to come across an ATSB Incident Report from 2023, detailing a major flight upset with this aircraft, approaching cruise level - and the interesting part is - it involves an incorrect switch selection, due to distraction.

 

I thought this report made for an interesting read, and it shows just how easily a mistake in control selection can be made and how long it takes to figure out what has gone wrong with aircraft handling.

 

Inadvertent rudder trim input led to 737 in-flight upset | ATSB

WWW.ATSB.GOV.AU

 

Air Nippon beat Virgin to it and managed over 130 degrees angle of bank. 
 

link to JTSB report 

[Roundsounds]

1 hour ago, red750 said:

 

Three crashes where the mental health of the pilots has been considered a possible cause - MH370, Germanwings and Air India.

Aside from ramblings by a range of self promoting keyboard experts there is no evidence of AI-171 being linked to mental health issues (or aircraft system faults). 

[facthunter]

A thorough Investigation requires that you don't rule out anything. Nev

[Moneybox]

8 hours ago, Roundsounds said:

Air Nippon beat Virgin to it and managed over 130 degrees angle of bank. 
 

link to JTSB report 

 

Just as well they had a spare 11,000 ft to sort it out. Even though they had plenty of elevation they exceeded the maximum speed and load on the aircraft while in a vertical dive.

[facthunter]

Any "UPSET" at cruise level requires about 9,000 ft to sort it out IF you are not right on the Ball anticipating it. Turbulence and control movements add extra drag and you are thrust limited especially if you are at "Coffin Corner" which I made a point of never going.  It's where your VMo and MMo come together.   Nev

[BrendAn]

Seven spotlight is about this crash tonight.

 

[onetrack]

The media are out to keep raking the coals around the crash, so they can milk it for all it's worth. Nothing new to report, until the Indian AAIB release a lot more information such as the full CVR record and any medical history on the pilots that could shine more light on their state of mind/s.

 

The FAA has reported that all their testing has found absolutely nothing wrong with the B787 fuel cut-off switch system, as regards the mechanical locking mechanism, and inadvertent switching by accidentally bumping them, is impossible.

 

I still suspect it was a "brain fart" on the part of the Captain - he was greatly worried about his elderly father, and was planning to retire to look after him. Not something a suicidal individual would plan.

 

reuters.com

WWW.REUTERS.COM

 

[kgwilson]

7 Spotlight is about sensationalisng any issue without evidence or real facts to get ratings as the free to air commercial TV channels lose more and more viewers. Complete rubbish.

[BrendAn]

10 hours ago, kgwilson said:

7 Spotlight is about sensationalisng any issue without evidence or real facts to get ratings as the free to air commercial TV channels lose more and more viewers. Complete rubbish.

You wouldn't know if you didn't watch it.  The people interviewed made some good points about the 

Mental health of airline pilots .

Many pilots are afraid to speak up if they have a problem because it can mean a long time without employment and thousands of dollars to prove they are fit to fly again.  There have been 8 suicide crashes that have killed hundreds of people.

[facthunter]

IF you seek that kind of Information there would be many better sources of it than the One you used. All those outlets are interested in is ratings. so their revenue gets better. Fear sensationalism and hate. The OLD formula. . Pilot organisations deal with for one. It's often thing s Like being passed over for a Promotion when you thought YOU were inline for it.. Alcoholism Depression. The medical Assessments are supposed to cover the "Personality" things like "Manic Depression" etc. Nev

[BrendAn]

1 hour ago, facthunter said:

IF you seek that kind of Information there would be many better sources of it than the One you used. All those outlets are interested in is ratings. so their revenue gets better. Fear sensationalism and hate. The OLD formula. . Pilot organisations deal with for one. It's often thing s Like being passed over for a Promotion when you thought YOU were inline for it.. Alcoholism Depression. The medical Assessments are supposed to cover the "Personality" things like "Manic Depression" etc. Nev

How do you know if you didn't watch it.

[facthunter]

 That really IS a silly argument.. You won't find many GOLD nuggets in a sewage farm. IF you seek FACTS search TRUSTED sources. Work with People who can be trusted and you'll waste less of your "precious". time.  Nev

[BrendAn]

1 minute ago, facthunter said:

 That really IS a silly argument.. You won't find many GOLD nuggets in a sewage farm. IF you seek FACTS search TRUSTED sources. Work with People who can be trusted and you'll waste less of your "precious". time.  Nev

You are arguing about something you have not watched. 

You need to see the thing for yourself to know if you are right or not.

[facthunter]

I've explained my view about such Matters. You all complain about how the NEWS writes up aeroplane matters.  It's pretty much a FACT  FREE show.. Nev

[Roundsounds]

49 minutes ago, facthunter said:

I've explained my view about such Matters. You all complain about how the NEWS writes up aeroplane matters.  It's pretty much a FACT  FREE show.. Nev

I managed to see the whole show, your assumptions are spot on. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Roundsounds

[BrendAn]

4 minutes ago, Roundsounds said:

I managed to see the whole show, your assumptions are spot on. 

That's your opinion 

[facthunter]

"B" you are not a good Listener. Nev

[red750]

BrendAn, don't criticise Nev, he's NEVER wrong. Just ask him.

[BrendAn]

14 minutes ago, facthunter said:

"B" you are not a good Listener. Nev

because you shitcan things without even looking at them.

[BrendAn]

the woman they interviewed was an ex pilot herself and i thought she made some good points. and the head of the aemerican pilots association

had a similar view.    i know these programs sensationalise stories for views but you focus on the genuine parts of the story.

if it was on the woke left abc i bet there would be no argument.

[facthunter]

For a Moderator Peter, you are a disgrace. You just don't like FACT's and have always had a grudge on ME. YOU are NOT Meant to Remove stuff you disagree with and I have a right to stand up for what I believe and have done a lot of research on or it's from personal experience Ie the HARD way. Challenge the Facts with Facts  IF you don't agree with them. I"m OK with that and always have been..Nev

[Roundsounds]

33 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

That's your opinion 

In this wonderful country we all free to express our opinions. 

[facthunter]

It would be good if more brought forward an opinion. Isn't THAT what it's supposed to be ABOUT? It's EASY to link to some Half Baked Guru or the quagmire of U tube.. I suppose it's better than nothing, BUT there's plenty of crazy stuff there IF you want a Challenge sorting it. . Nev

[BrendAn]

30 minutes ago, Roundsounds said:

In this wonderful country we all free to express our opinions. 

true. but i wish i kept mine to myself.

[BrendAn]

33 minutes ago, facthunter said:

For a Moderator Peter, you are a disgrace. You just don't like FACT's and have always had a grudge on ME. YOU are NOT Meant to Remove stuff you disagree with and I have a right to stand up for what I believe and have done a lot of research on or it's from personal experience Ie the HARD way. Challenge the Facts with Facts  IF you don't agree with them. I"m OK with that and always have been..Nev

nev putting down something you have not even seen is hardly dealing with facts.