Guest watto Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I have seen many articles about different aircraft and have always been amazed by the aircraft used in alaska and canada with the big tundra tyres and wheels, able to almost hover and set down on a rocky river bed etc! What do we have available here that is the RAA equivalent of this type of aircraft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maj Millard Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Watto, The videos entitled 'Big rocks,Long props' 1,2, and 3, highlights the exploits of the these large wheel equipped Alaskan bush planes, piloted by the people who manufacture and market those large balloon tires. Closest we would have here would be either of the following: Slepcev Storch, Hornet/Bushman, or a tundra tyre equipped Savannah. Ole Hartmann the manufacturer of the Hornet and Bushman aircraft has imported some of those tires for his aircraft, and may even be the Aussie agent for them. One Storch has fitted one of their balloon tail wheels, and it is so much better than the original.................................................. Amazing what they do on the videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maj Millard Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Yes Destiny Flyer, as well demonstrated in the previous mentioned videos. Cheers Maj............................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Here's Matt's (or maybe Kaz's) pic of the balloon tyred Hornet that dropped in to the RecFlying Fly-in at Camden Haven 2 years ago. He was airborne in about 5 feet on take-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest watto Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Wow, now those are what I am talkin about!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ozzie Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 wonder how those big tyres would go filled with helium. leaps and bounds ha ha if you watch closly when they land on water that the brakes are locked on and they release them when the hit the ground proper. they seem to balance the plane with the tail up using max braking without nosing over. must be excilerating to fly like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cloudsuck Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 G'day Watto, the Savage Cub will do the trick nicely. There is some video on Youtube showing them landing on the river bars etc. Oh, and as Maj says, 'Big rocks, Long props' should be in every aviator's TV cabnet. Edit: just found it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maj Millard Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Nice footage of the savage cub, and I notice he's got VGs on the wings also........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest watto Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Love to give that a go but I imagine you would get a resleeving from CASA if you did that here, that clip is the one that actually inspired me to run this post it looks like a really rugged bit of aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drizzt1978 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Can you buy this dvd series in Aust? Have seen it for sale in the USA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cloudsuck Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Can you buy this dvd series in Aust? Have seen it for sale in the USA? I purchased it online from O/S. Just let Google do the walking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walter Buschor Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Impressive tyres. Love that Hornet. should one tyre ever go flat in the air the ground loop would be ugly. There is many great youtube clips with tyres like these. Some are downright scary. the grey Nomad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Hi guys, i looked at the savage cub, to purchase, but when i when through the maintence manual, the major service at 1200 hours, says that u have defabric the wings and fuselage. Carry out a visual inspection of the airframe and wings AND repaint the Fuselage. To me at only 1200 hrs, to remove the wing and fabric, strip the paint , carryout a visual inspection of the tubing, repaint, refabric and repaint the fabric sounds a bit exccessive at 1200 hrs, considering skyfoxs etc. Of similar construction doesnt not have the same requirements. Anyway i was looking a u tube. Their is a video of a highlander aircraft doing a dead stick TAKE OFF. HE rolled down the slope of this mountain, coasted to take off speed, and landed beside a river approx 3000 ft below. I checked out the alaska bush wheel web site. The tyres are very expensive, (but not a rip off as far as i can gather) the price it has, something to do with the ply material that they use in the tyre as they run a low psi. Also - for any one interested- a few bush aircraft now have a STC for this new suspension system, it is called AOSS suspension, on the savage cub it is about $5800 euro extra. They use a fluid polyamer, which controls the Rebound, when landing heavily. CHEERS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Watto. Shouldn't be too long before Greg gets his new Savannah going, put big tyres on that and it will go nearly anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Hi guys, i looked at the savage cub, to purchase, but when i when through the maintence manual, the major service at 1200 hours, says that u have defabric the wings and fuselage. Carry out a visual inspection of the airframe and wings AND repaint the Fuselage. To me at only 1200 hrs, to remove the wing and fabric, strip the paint , carryout a visual inspection of the tubing, repaint, refabric and repaint the fabric sounds a bit exccessive at 1200 hrs, considering skyfoxs etc. Of similar construction doesnt not have the same requirements. Anyway i was looking a u tube. Their is a video of a highlander aircraft doing a dead stick TAKE OFF. HE rolled down the slope of this mountain, coasted to take off speed, and landed beside a river approx 3000 ft below. I checked out the alaska bush wheel web site. The tyres are very expensive, (but not a rip off as far as i can gather) the price it has, something to do with the ply material that they use in the tyre as they run a low psi. Also - for any one interested- a few bush aircraft now have a STC for this new suspension system, it is called AOSS suspension, on the savage cub it is about $5800 euro extra. They use a fluid polyamer, which controls the Rebound, when landing heavily. CHEERS Geez Dazza, that seems like overkill, especially as I understand that both frame and engine mount are nitrogen injected and have pressure gauges to let you monitor for any minor fractures. I see you fly from Boonah, I've been walking circles around 7030 that Greg has on strength there, certainly looks the goods! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cloudsuck Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 carryout a visual inspection of the tubing, repaint, refabric and repaint the fabric sounds a bit exccessive at 1200 hrs, considering skyfoxs etc. G'day Dazza, the way I look at it is that 1200hrs is 12 years of flying. Not too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest watto Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Watto. Shouldn't be too long before Greg gets his new Savannah going, put big tyres on that and it will go nearly anywhere. Yes mate it will surely be interesting to see how the new one comes up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maj Millard Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 The 1200 hrs is probabily just covering thier arsx, excuse the pun. Rotax wants you to overhaul thier 2 strokes at 300 hrs,..yeah right !!. That savage Cub has the classic early Piper wing. Great looking aeroplane.....we have so many to choose from these days !......................................................................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushcaddy105 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Haven't seen the need for the big tyres on my Bushcaddy R80; it does a pretty good job as a bushplane on the 15 X 6 X 6 as standard, even though it is supposed to be on floats. Check out bushcaddy.com for lots more details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest watto Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Haven't seen the need for the big tyres on my Bushcaddy R80; it does a pretty good job as a bushplane on the 15 X 6 X 6 as standard, even though it is supposed to be on floats. Check out bushcaddy.com for lots more details Good solid looking Aircraft, who is the Australian distributor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sain Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 There is also the Zenith CH701, CH750 and CH801s.. Plans or kit built. all STOL and can be fitted with tundra tires. there are a couple of clips on youtube of 701s doing short take off and landings. The Foxbat A-22 is supposed to be STOL as well, though I know bugger all about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Spot on, MAJ, it sounds like XXXX covering. If used privately, as cloudsuck has already mentioned. 1200 hrs is not that bad, (average flying 100hrs a year). With our harsh climate, i would have recovered the aircraft before 12 years were up. When used on line, like 7030 at boonah, im not sure hours many hours pauls a/c has done yet, i mean it only a few months old and it is popular, i think it is up around 100 hrs. Im guessing 300 hundred or so hours a year? Maybe Four years to major service?. Hello spin, some of the options are - Tubing filled with a corrosion preventative fluid. And of course as you have mention nitrogent filled engine mount. The information i sourced was direct from Zlin's own web site CHEERS. I havent flown a tail dragger for a long time. I am looking forward to being re-trained and flying Mr Turners Cub in the near future. PS- For general interest, it was my wife (ex wife now), that was the student in the skyfox, off bribie island that had the wing carry through tubing failure, luckily for her, mr Brett Leathley (great instructor) was with her. Being of tubular construction, the other surrounding tubes carried the load (just). Brett landed with full Aileron deflection (just to keep straight and level) and landed on the beach. This was the reason the (extra) Tubing AD was implemented. As most of you are already aware of. (she passed her flight test the next day in another aircraft). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JG3 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Here's my Savannah on some pretty fair-size rocks. Those 8.00x6 tyres are plenty big enough for anything but pure show-off. More about those STOL landings at StolSpeed Aerodynamics - Performance Enhancement for Light Aircraft JG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maj Millard Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 dazza 38, yes I remember that incident, and holy shix when the seatbelts tightened up they knew something had happened !!. I'm glad to hear that the event didn't turn her off flying completely. JG3, yes those big 6.00 x 8s are pretty versitile at the right pressure. They are the same as used on the Storch and they last pretty well also. And put a set of full lexan doors on the Savvy, totally different experience. And John, love ya storys. Next time I'm by Kilcoy, I'll drop in for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 And put a set of full lexan doors on the Savvy, totally different experience. Yeah, Makes it so much better!:thumb_up: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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