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hey burbles, the horrible thing about ywol is the restricted t&g's on 08...its almost always the runway of choice!!! the mechanical turbulance ya get from all the stuff there when circuiting on 34 can be horrendous!!! good onya for stikkin in there with it!!! liz

its terrible to see such a monumental part of our aviation and even nations history disrespected to such a degree...it would be great to see it housed in a more 'available' fashion. keep us all posted on the outcomes of any correspondence with the newspapers etc. id love to see if we can band together to get some respect for the leaders in our aviation history. liz

ps daldy...any questions... mite i just say dj.......ha, bloody ha!!! i like bernoulli...i can understand it easily and could as a student.....which is an important factor to be able to pass on to my own students....but i also see and agree with how newton works as well.. that nasa site thing is cool dj....when someones got time to read it...:big_grin:

good onya josh. as asid, keep the advice in ya hand and follow through with it all, and u will show everyone how good and safe and fun recreational flying is. its all about safe fun!! and...cowboy up wud be good ta check out when its all ticked up! liz

i have to agree on the ask your instructor comments, because it will all depend on how they are teaching you. obviously you'll get your track to follow when you do your flight plan, but remember that constantly throughout the nav, you will still have to be checking your position on your map, to make sure that the wind is as it states, and that you have made the right crosswind correction. if it isnt how it says it will be, then comes into play the ded-reckoning/1 in 60. http://www.recreationalflying.com/showthread.php/127740-6-minute-markers-and-the-1-in-60-rule-explained the above is an explanation of it...it's something that will eventually come up in the nav training, but worth checking out soon so you can understand it when it's time for it! i've never nav'd by the horizon reference point, so i cant really comment on that. you'll find the way that suits you the more nav's you do. good luck with the navs and keep us posted!!! liz

ok. just one question here. i may be a bit naive, being only reasonably new to the entire venture ( and by new i mean only two and a half years, including my training and instructor rating), but seriously...aviation is a sport than can and has very easily killed many good people. The entire emphasis on any part of flying should be on safety. flight planning included. lets consider those who havent done many nav's, as well as those who have done thousands of hours of them. there is a lowest safe minimum for all of us. there was a publication put out, that has the statistics in it, showing that poor flight planning was what had killed the majority of the people involved....regardless of experience. wouldnt we, as both private aviators and instructors, want to keep everyone alive?? cfi...ur an instructor rite?? do you not aim to teach your students the safest option for everything???id hope you would, but im kinda lacking in that belief from the last few of your posts here. its sounding to me a little too..."cowboy"ish. why on earth WOULDNT you teach an LSALT??? dj...you said..For example, going through the Glenburn gap just north of Lilydale the spot height is 2100 ft along my route and I don't care about the spot heights of 2700 ft which are 2 nm to the east as I can see them and I'm not going there. this would bring in the correspondence from this and other threads....you mite not WANT to go two miles off course...but what happens if you inadvertently do?? youve planned for your lowest safe altitude to be 600ft above where you now are....now what are you going to do? have you planned the extra fuel for the climb to keep you away from that terrain?? (i realise that it may be minimal fuel needed, but still...was it planned for?) lets not forget that this is a thread for students to ask questions and get 'correct' information. they are wanting, like all of us, i hope, to have a LONG, and SAFE life of aviation. put things in prospective....lets think about total safety!

hey guys, my added opinion, which im sure plenty of you are aware of, and use, is that through the planning stage, working out which altitude to fly at......find the LSALT, as Motz said, height of highest terrain, then plus 500ft, THEN, take that up to the nearest odd or even thousand feet, whichever for the direction of heading, then add the 500ft addition. adding that extra thousand or so feet to the LSALT as the planned flight altitude, gives you plenty of allowance for whatever. as always...err on the side of caution! :big_grin:

apologies for the ignorance, kaz...but, why would you be calling 105 minutes sth of wherever if the fan stops? it should be a distance call...noone other than you know how far you're gunna travel in those minutes. with a distance...you're more locatable. whether you are using minute or mile markers, in an area with or without features, following on your flight plan, and map, should easily give you reference to a locatable area...not a 2700 square mile zone. and would also work regardless of the aircraft and airspeed you're travelling with. as far as im concerned, noting the time on the map is more the way to go....obviously still using your flight plan, but more of your navigating time is spent looking at the map, so its right there for reference. this should be the same regardless of a 50 mile journey or a 500 mile journey... sorry, but my 2 cents. liz

well done motz!!!

of course ya wud cfi....as would i... but are you telling me that you have never altered off course...ever?? even by a mile if the winds werent right as predicted?? id still rather my dude be able to fix something if it was wrong...then just let it keep going. so if you find that you are in fact off course cfi....wot do you do to get back on course??? im guessing there has been a time that you have used the 1 in 60 rule...im also guessing that it worked. im pretty sure that if we didnt teach the 1 in 60, thered be some nasty situations that instructors teaching navs would have to answer for.

cfi.... why are we raa teaching 1 in 60...rubbish??? really?? as far as im aware, the ability to fix your position on the map is extremely important...obviously...but when the winds arent as predicted and you have a low time nav student, who does end up off course...wouldnt you think it prudent to teach them how to get themselves back on course?? in my opinion, id rather see a dude use the 1 in 60 course correction method, than i would to see them having to use the 'lost' procedure...and/or having to call up radar to have them guide you back home... honestly, lets face the facts...if ya get lost cos ya dont know how to get yourself back on course, it wouldnt take too long for some people to get a little flustered, and get lost. man...i say bring on the 1 in 60.

hi guys, just my little opinion on it all. when i first started my nav's, i was taught ten mile markers. yes they worked fine, but then i learnt the 6 minute markers. as an initial learning stage, by comparison, the 6 minute markers were far easier to learn, and were also easier to figure everything out when you're actually en route. figuring out the 1:60 with the 6 minute markers, i dont see being a problem, because you need to know not only how far along course and off course you are, but when you try to get yourself back on course with the details, you also need to know how long you have been travelling off course, so that you can alter your headings per time travelled, etc. ten mile markers are great for working out distance, fine, but, for any work done en route, ease is the key, so that you're able to continuing navigating....which is what you're there to do in the first place. the time aspect, i believe, is far easier to work it all out not only quickly, but also efficiently. distances are easy to read from a ruler...time...you have to get out the calc wheel and still work out the distances.... i figure you may as well take the fastest way to work it out, so you can keep aviating. i know now, after having learning the navigation.....exactly which way i will teach it. obviously my students will know both ways, but i will focus the majority of time in training these students, using the way, which will work quickly and easily for them. sorry its so long liz

wow....now there are some absolutely amazing photos in there. spectacular farm shots and some gorgeous sunsets. just beautiful.

have a great trip tom and be safe! looking forward as is everyone to seeing some photos when u return...have ea merrry christmas over there! liz

great work dave. thanks for sharing your learning with us all... liz

sad to hear that anyone was involved in anaccident, though am gld that it wasnt ur mate!

rdarby, there is nothing stopping u from descending on the dead side of the circuit, in whatever mannor. Obviously using caution with whatever you are doing. u can come straight into the airfield on the already on the dead side, and let down as you approach....as with everything you are doing in the air, safety is the biggest key. make sure u are completely aware of the circuit direction of the active runway and be sure to give your intentions... whatever the direction. it is advisable to keep the turns in the same direction as the circuit pattern. Knowledge is they key to it all...and keeping any traffic, be it minimal or copious, informed of your movements, then u shudnt have a problem.. cheers, liz

fantastic little milestone to cross!!! by the looks of those foto's, u couldnt have asked for a better day!!!

ah awesome... u know...ive never actually seen a wings over illawarra display... :P

hafta say, one way or another......thats unreal to see!!

hey dingo....glad to hear u r addicted. make sure ya let us all know about ur progress....we're friendly buncha people:big_grin:

councillor darksarcasm.... congrats heaps darks.... now how are ya gunna work the all effective highliter into the chat!!!

good onyas guys!! so glad to hear u have progressed so well!!! its sch an awesome experience! keep crakkin along...n keep us informed!!

good luck with the BAK!!! keep us all informed!!!

hey dave, if you have passed the test, you can ask raaus to email your confirmation letter of the endorsement, and fly with that, even without the card. so long as you have something to say that you are actually licensed to carry with you. liz