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Best to sti back and let others find out ....

This stuff makes politics look like sensible facts

Anyone who is half keen and gets their bum in a plane will be hooked...it may take 1 month a year or a decade, but that burning desire will never go away... Simple get bums in seats for small short flights and go from there.... Your better off to have ten students with 1 hour scholarships then 1 student with a ten hour scholarship

There was an instructor in that training aircraft...so it was a decision by the instructor

http://www.pprune.org/pacific-general-aviation-questions/561646-ausfly-2015-september-4-6-ynrm-5.html More pics, not sure if you have to be logged in or not

Lack of confidence in passing as the aircraft that did a uturn was in the middle of the runway facing him

Thanks Maj...this in no way tarnishes my view on Bolly or any other props But it certainly highlights the fact I might pull my spinner off every 25 hours and take a good look Good educational post thanks ...there should be a lot more of this...I dont see it as a name and shame...its very educational to those of us that have far less experience than some.

Guys dont forget not everyone owns planes...We have "I think"approx 3000 aircraft and 10,000 odd members which means not everyone who wants to go can or will fly... Ausfly is over 8 hours drive from Port Macquarie and we had 16 members of our club go..11 flew and 5 drove so not everyone flys... Had it been closer for sure we would have had more people drive...in fact 5 people told me they would have loved to go but it was too far for a weekend drive and they couldnt get the club aircraft which was already booked for the event. This to me would indicate around 50% of our possible attendees might drive if it where closer...

So if you where CEO for a day and had to make the following decision what would you choose Decision A. Same location annually- where? B. Biannual location which two locations?

Any reference to population by me refers to our flying population... Which undoubtably has some strong correlation to population in general...as there are not many flyin ng clubs or pilots parking thier aircraft 200 km from home for fun.

Not implying hes stupid, i said bad or stupid call... Im not judging just saying casa will be least of his concerns I wasnt there and dont know, nor does any one else... I feel deeply for all invokved

Um i just spent a weekend there, but no i forget lol

Are you serious Perth Darwin etc should not even be considered when it comes to a national flyin... This sounds terrible and i fully understand it will inflame members in outlying areas and i appologise, but realities are realities...... They should either have there own event or none at all...you cant be all things to all people ... Those who try to be fail and fail dismally everytim unless they have huge budgets, extremely mobile participants (jet flyers with money) or inelastic demand curves. You dont hold national events in broken hill to keep westerners happy and you dont hold rock concerts in Perth as a one off on an australian tour for a reason... People who think we need to host these event severely west to cater for 10-15 % of australias population are a major part of the problem that will doom these events into history... Your first and fundamental problem is a location people will attend in abbundance...everything else is secondary. By going west you not only cater for less people you make it harder for the other 90 % who will attend to actually want to go, afford to go or time to go... Take this example... Temora. Flying time to melb and syd is reasonable...one nights accommodation to each would yield major attendance... Similarly mailtand for syd and east coast ( bad example for melb) Move event to say Naromine you have major flight time from syd, massive from Melb, brisbane newc gong and GC Brisbane sunny coast .... No matter people intentions , attendance drops ... Now narromine is clearly better for SA or WA NT, but realistacally how many actually attend.. And if it was 1 hour east would it really change attendes from Perth, or NT ...no But shift it one hour further from Syd or Melb / east coast and numbers dramatically fall....why because you add a second nights accomodation, which doubles the cost, means your away the entire weekend, need a night off work etc...that wont matter for some people, but force it on many and your numbers drop dramatically. Trust me it on this , post grad studies in this area reveal a thing or two about elasticity of demand, barriers to entry and invisible/ visible scripts to participation... you want numbers it needs to be a day trip or one nighter from the majority of your population...doing anything else dramatically effects participation.. Secondly people need a regular cycle and location...eg every year or second year at X location..... Doctors and lawyers with high disposable income and who are time poor will pay to travel to exotic and varied locations, but the majority of people like and are more likely to attend the same location on a regular cycle because they like predictability, known costs and known issues... One only has to access night sat images of Australia and its pretty clear where most events need to be held... Add in CTA and its effects on RAAus pilots, its still pretty clear which areas will work and which wont... Sorry but The rest are dreamers....if you think we should hold it on the Nullabour or in Perth, you are a very very nice considerate person, but have no concept of the laws of supply and demand , crowd dynamics, elascticity of demand or pschological scripts to attendance...

Well after spending the weekend at maitland for a flying comp , i have to say what a perfect location... More runways than LAX, close to accomodation, huge facilities, close drive to major populations of Sydney and Newc CC and good flight times to Brisbane and .GC. This would be my pick for the northern location , Then altrnate to one in the southern area... Or Cessnock i like Narromine but its a hell of a task to get there and back

forget about CASA he will be trying to live with that for the rest of his life... Poor or stupid fella made a bad or terrrible call and will pay for it forever on a personal level, as will her family and freinds. CASA will be the least of his problems

Hey Maj also tell the RAAus staff to not all stand at the. RAAus stand and talk to each other...they should get out with a logo shirt on and talk to everyone at the flyins in all different areas and situations...including having a few drinks and socialising ..its great they where there, but they dont need to be chained to the stand to be super effective.. Thats not criticism just a solution to better communication

Hi kev are they 912 uls courses?

An afternoon airshow with night time social activity then morning activity or attraction will drive participants and value

Nobody , i agree its probably not a general public event, but by the same token holding it so so far west is rediculous... I dont liken it to a visiting band... I say there is a reasson visitng bands dont hold events in the outback... Becaucse every event has barriers to entry...the more barriers, the lower the participation rate... Trust me , i have studied this area in post graduaete study extensively......distance is a mental, financial and time barrier to entry for every participant... Aircraft reduce that barrier, but its still a barrier.... The other much smarter move they could make is have the airshows in the middle block of each day to allow people to leave after an airshow and yet still reach major population centers... Eg : if the event is held two hours flight from sydney, newcastle and central coast than make sure the air show finishes thre hours prior to last light at those locations Overnight accomodation has its own full list of barriers to entry inclcuding transit from airport, comfort, sleep quality, price, food etc... So where ever possible it should be avoided or turned into an experience to be cherished

You dont see visiting oversease bands holding rock concerts in the outback for a reason...and if they have one australian stop its usually Sydney or Melbourne...there is a logical reason for this which i wont explain...you either get it or dont... So our national fly ins ought to follow a similar principal and revolve either around a permanent position west if Sydney that is accessable from Melb and Ql.d or hold a biannual that is Sw of Sydney one year and NW of Sydney the next. Havng said that RAA has stats on where our members are and ought to easily be able to identify one to two logical locations. I would have thought Bathurst is a pretty logical location for 80% of members

I agree FT a blog/website is the logical movement from paper to digital. The issue is they tend to then go and find some crazy IT mob who charges $500k per annum to manage a site that i could build for $5000 and manage for $1000 A site also becomes searchable, its marketable, it has a bigger audience, it attrracts new members and oversease readers and it generally has much higher and automated selling for most ad revenue via google adwords...Banners for existing advertisers are still possible, but properly digtsing the site to include both opens a whole new world of advertising revenue.... With 10,000 members plus non members reading a site like that it should generate significant revenue.

Correct none of us need more than around 600m but we all use it anyway....we all get trained that the only useless runway is the one behind you. These chinese pilots are being trained for CPL so clearly they are being encouraged to go right to the end every time. Thats not the issue, we have all always used the length the issue is with so many aircraft the policy of individually backtracking is causing chaos and constant 20 min plus delays for departing aircraft ....

Cheers sorry i meant screenshot of the course info dates locations etc ta

650 to 700kg would be plenty for many 2 seaters.. I think that would allow a lot better safety due to route planning priorities and more fuel rather than everyone scraping for every last gram of luggage or fuel, or worse just blatently ignoring the rules.