danny_galaga

This forum needs a 😲 smiley

It is genuine insight for people like me, who didn't know about the lanes etc that airshow pilots use. That's an insight into what is supposed to be happening, and therefore a clue about why it didn't happen. No one is going to have the answer for a year or so. At least the AOPA guy isn't claiming to have the answer, like some of these other YouTube guys do...

Nope. Still a douche. If a cop gives you a directive, you do it. Is a cop familiar with a vintage planes operations? Tells you to stop what you're doing, and then you turn on a boost pump. That's a deliberate provocation. If he was on the highway in a car, he coulda got shot. It would be like being asked to put your hands up, and instead you reach into your jacket. "Oh was just reaching for my licence officer" What an ass...

This guy? https://www.ajc.com/news/local/delta-suspends-jailed-pilot/kNz1A9uDMWVK106R6xOPnL/ Don't think I'll listen to anything he has to say...

The AOPA guy has extensive airshow experience. I just looked up Juan Browne. Very accomplished, but no airshow experience that I could tell. https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/articles-by-author/richard-mcspadden http://readyfortakeoffpodcast.com/rft-376-youtube-star-juan-browne/

Good analysis from AOPA. Commentary by a seasoned airshow pilot (Thunderbirds). Not speculative, just very informative. I learnt a few things watching

Reading all I've read here about lights makes me wish I didn't have any. All that extra wiring and weight and an extra switch virtually for nothing. I actually wouldn't have fitted them except the wing tips have a clear section for the lights so I thought I might as well fill it up with something 😄

Just in case this wasn't covered in this thread, the 912 powered drones are full sized multi use, indefinite use machines. Think of them as a pilotless reconnaissance/missile platform fighter/bomber. To see what they are about, watch the movie Eye in the Sky. Anyway, just like any aircraft they are designed to fly thousands of times. This is why the engine thieves are quite discerning and only steal new/low hours engines. On condition? Fahgeddabouddit! https://youtu.be/dPFTkvxBpow

This cartoonist wasn't far off a couple of years ago

Thanks for posting. We still won't know for a year or so of course but certainly leans towards him not being some sort of 'cowboy'. Makes me more inclined to think there was a problem with the aircraft else he himself had a medical emergency.

As always, speculation it's just that. However, since these things are supposed to be heavily choreographed, I can't help but wonder if there was something going on with the P63? An medium level problem (clearly not engine out, they looked to be at full tilt) but a combination of things that resulted in a momentary loss of situational awareness? Or a problem with a control surface that given clear air, might have been able to land?

In the end, Armstrong and Glenn didn't make much of a showing...

You have to be careful with the term 'weight shift'. Shifting weight to control direction was exactly what the Wright's were getting away from, as they could see in the Lilienthal gliders it was a very marginal result (obviously much improved in modern hang gliders). They could see that a bird didn't use weight shifting for control. So in this case, you are shifting weight incidentally, just as you 'shift' your weight when you press your rudder peddle. If they had gone with an upright chair, the controls would have been exactly the same, but connected to a wheel instead of a yoke. They chose to lie prone to reduce drag.

I think it was based on Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004- A Centenary of Flight. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator_2004:_A_Century_of_Flight

What I mean is it was a bit of fun to help people get immersed in the experience. particularly since you lay prone on a replica of the wing section. They weren't really hoping to churn out thousands of new Wright Flyer pilots

You're overthinking it 😃

The fact it was freakin hard to fly tells me it was pretty accurate 😄

Maybe. There was a pretty big queue. I doubt they were going to spend any time briefing people. From memory when it was your turn they might have said something like 'wait until it gets to 25mph then gently pull back'. You've got seconds to work it out before it's someone else's turn. Not a problem the Wright's had 😄

When I was in Kittyhawk in 2003 they had a simulator set up. Like the Wright Flyer. So you lay prone. We all thought this would be easy but most of us crashed pretty quickly. You know who did the best? Kids, with no preconceived notions of how to fly a plane. That thing does not fly like anything we are used to.

Meh, missed the twenty second editing window on this forum. I meant to mention that the camber formulas were supplied by Octave Chanute, which were wrong.

What you are describing is Zeitgeist. And even so, someone did it first. Wilbur and Orville. If someone else did it first, but didn't document it, then the question is much the same as 'If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, did it make s sound?'. It's easy for people to say in retrospect 'oh, I did that first' without any real proof. But logically when you look at how much work the Wright's put into the puzzle, and seemingly everyone else did it seemingly on the spur of the moment it just becomes more likely that really the Wright's were first. Even just one aspect- the Wright's discovered that the formula s for wing camber were wrong- resulted in them spending pretty much a whole year building a wind tunnel (which they may have invented too, but I don't think they patented ) and getting the right shapes. And yet for everyone else, all that came 'ex nihilo'. Not to mention things like developing an efficient propeller. No, the compete package rests at the Wright's feet anything else is just hearsay

Yada yada yada. Heard it all before. It's true they tried to sue anyone who infringed on their patents for 3 axis control. Probably should have concentrated on continually inventing new things, like Apple does. But so what? That's what the law is for, and they used it. There's no denying their genius. Very resolute guys

Was watching a dvd last night I'd been meaning to watch since I first picked it up in Kittyhawk in 2003 😲 Anyway, look at who plays the voices of Wilbur and Orville 😲 span widgetspan widget

I think it's really exciting stuff. Eviation are waiting for better batteries though. So the plane that flew is not a pre production prototype, but more of a proof of concept