Flying Binghi

Now there's where solar/wind shows some common sense - making hydrogen. Of interest is (modern) electric car early adapter Toyota's continuing hydrogen car developments. .

That's the Einstein who were banished to the post office sorting room because he questioned the scientific consensus. That's the Einstein who said you don't need one hundred scientists to disprove what he said- Only one was needed. ...And what about them idiot Wright Brothers - Bicycle mechanics. The aviation scientists of the Wright Brothers time had big well funded university departments, a large water based aircraft launching site and lots of important aviation science meeting to attend... Bah, what would a couple of push bike mechanics know about flying..... .

Yes, I did. Plenty of flying footage. Though, as I first said, I've flown the GBR for many years and, apart from the effects of the odd cyclone or two, not noticed anything out of the ordinary - And we have had a 'bleaching' hysteria event before going on 10 years ago. And as I've shown, we had a major bleaching 'event' back in 1952 that the then scientists needed funds to investigate. Seems to me what is being claimed via aerial survey to be recently bleached coral is just part of the normal state of affairs. The Low Isles claims of 1952 were compared to the 1920's bleaching study's done in that area. And the 1920's coral killing mission is a fascinating read. ...And, I'm wondering why the panic re my questions about coral core records and the Ontogenetic Effect ? It's as though I'm questioning the basis of somebody's religious beliefs.... .

The hysteria surrounding the reef affects Australian aviation that serves the tourism and associated industry's. The so-called threats to the reef were used in attacks on a new airfield being built by Adani coal. So, YES, this discussion is about flying. Please do point out where I am "ranting and raving" ? Whilst I entertain and respond to the hundred and one diversions thrown into the thread I do get back to the core issue... So, Nobody, what do you know about Ontogenetic effect ? .

cscotthendry, tell us how Ontogenic Effect is 'nullified' in the coral core/slice records. And I think Eisenstein would have a comment to make about somebody turning up with a snowball as evidence. Remember the so-called climate experts were claiming many years ago that their children would not know what snow looks like... .

So, all is lost so we should just let the aircraft crash... This is a pilots forum. Pilots trouble shoot problems methodically... (we are all Biggles, right..) 1/ Yep, the country is near bankrupt from all the money blown on wind and solar worship. 2/ Planet carn't be too damaged as it is feeding 6 billion or so of us and we keep getting better at it. 3/ Yes, we carn't send it all to China for reprocessing. The chickens will be coming home to roost re the setting up of an Oz recycling industry based on the Chinese taking it all. Now we will be paying BIG money for these recycling schemes. Money our near bankrupt country can ill afford. 4/ I agree we have an over fishing problem. An issue that needs to be approached as a stand alone matter that is not bogged down in the usual greeny hysterics of tying all and sundry issues to the matter at hand. 5/ As per #4. Though take note that thanks to increasing atmospheric CO2 levels creating better conditions for CO2 starved plants that the worlds total plant bio-mass is increasing. i.e., what some call the planets lungs is actually increasing all thanks to extra CO2. 6/ Yeah! Give me names... 7/ As per #4 8/ Some is lost and some is gained. The Great Barrier Reef is claimed to be about 8,000 years old.. why is that ? 9/ Some are receding, some are growing. Of interest is some of the receding European glaciers are exposing long buried villages and farms. Many of the glaciers have been receding because the world has been warming up since the last mini ice age a few hundred years ago. 10/ The Antarctic ice cap is growing. .

What aircraft do you fly at low level around these wind turbines ? .

Now that all the India nonsense has been de-bunked and the India coal expansion is back on track, back to the thread subject... And yet wind tower turbulence is a big issue in the wind parks. It is a well documented fact and part of the reason for not having straight lines of towers in the closer spaced wind parks. See aerial pictures of the older offshore wind parks and they are all straight lines where the more modern parks tend to be curved lines. One identified issue is that when two wind towers are directly aligned in the wind stream that a third wind tower downwind in the same airstream receives a boosted turbulence from the two up stream turbines. Apart from the power loss turbulence also damages the turbines. .

Been watching the news lately? Russia has a ship mounted nuclear power station near ready to go. Aparently it can power the equivilant of 100,000 homes constantly day and night, all year round. And it is base load power. Brilliant idea. Imagine, Sydney is running low on reliable power and all it needs do is get a floating nuclear power station to turn up and plug in for insta power.. .

Carn't find a direct link to the diesel powered solar panel scam though here's similar. From 2012... "...In an email seen by Reuters and sent to a CDB official in June 2010, he described Italy as a “solar bubble” and said Chinese investors were not best placed to invest there. “We got suspicious because it did mention a lot of important corporate, banking, legal names associated to the project, a tactic usually adopted by fraudsters in my experience"...” Italian road to China's Suntech fraud was paved with warnings I love that we got suspicious bit. If it weren't for them damned sceptics the Chinese would have been well fleeced and Italy would be powered 24 hours a day by solar power.. .

Back with them coral 'tree rings'... "...As coral grows, trace elements are incorporated into its calcium carbonate skeleton, with ratios of strontium to calcium (Sr/Ca) used like tree rings to determine yearly variations in ocean temperature. Zinke's team took core samples from two Porites lutea coral colonies located 700 metres apart off Madagascar's north east coast. However, when they compared Sr/Ca ratios and growth rates over a 43-year period with historical sea surface temperature data for the region, they were puzzled to find that while one coral seemed to show a strong warming trend, the other showed no obvious trend at all..." Coral cores tell different warming stories › News in Science (ABC Science) Well, that is interesting. Take two 'growth ring' samples from nearby colony's and get completely different 'answers'. I guess if yer took many core samples from a large area you would get much the same variance. So who decides which core samples are giving the 'correct' answer ? ...and then there is the big issue of Ontogenic Effect causing the core ring records to need an 'adjustment'. And I'm afraid I've never seen a graph fer that so I carn't explain it to fly_tornado.. .

I thought the info were in already supplied links of other posters - Do i need to find a chart fer you ?...

The coral can also be core drilled much like a tree. And much like a tree the 'records' are wildly variable and open to interpretation - Hockey stick graph anyone (the bit of it that were based on tree rings) For example, unless you know what was growing around the coral, or the local currents one hundred years ago, how can you make a claim of direct comparison ? I seems to recall seeing coral ring records going back many hundreds of years showing long periods of less annual growth then some of the recent records. .

Found it. - http://flyhusky.com/forum/index.php .

So they'll be investing Seven Billion dollars in Italy in the next four years.......... ...so that's how they will powering their solar panels. Get carbon credit money for producing bio-diesel, then use that bio-diesel to power their solar farms and get the massive solar payouts. Them Italians are smart. Have a look-see at the Eni oil field assets. Africa, Russia, etc... .

Yeah... nice explanation for an ideal world where people actually have a bit of 'corporate knowledge' of past events... though, how many reading this forum knew of the 1952 reef scare study ? Re bleaching or die-back - Lets go a couple more sentences past the last quote I referenced from Professor Terry Hughes, the head of the bleaching 'Task Force'... "...It usually takes a few months to recover or die from a bleaching event, but this time, in the northern part, much of the coral died instantly. It was fried. Over 65 per cent of the northern reef is dead..." (via Quarterly Essay QE66 2017, page 4) So, the implication is bleaching is death. "In the old days stressor events supposedly happened infrequently..." How do we know there is a difference between today's 'events' and past events ? .

Heh, few years ago some Italian solar subsidy 'farmers' would hook up their diesel generators to the power grid and get paid for the solar power they produced. Obviously, somebody in authority eventually realised what were going on.. .

No argument from me that coral has suffered die back (alarmist term - bleaching) in the past. It is fairly obvious to any one that any animal/plant that lives in the harsh highly volatile narrow world that is the interface between the ocean and the sky will have a high rate of attrition. Depending on the time of year, the cycle of the pacific east west slop (cyclic sea level variance), and when were the last cyclone, etc, you would expect to find in any given acre of reef every thing from actively growing through sickly, to dead (bleached) coral. The Great Barrier Reef is not a well tended back yard garden where only perfection can be found. The Great Barrier Reef is more like the garden you find where the local druggies are living - unkempt, suffering the effects of random destruction, half the plants are dead, and some few plants are thriving. "it is a matter of the rate of damage" "damage" that reads fairly alarmist. Things do die you know. The reef is not some movie fairy tale world where nothing ever dies and all the green fairys live in harmony. As to "rate" - to what do you compare. Back in 1952 the then scientists claimed the Low Isles mass coral deaths were indicative of the entire Great Barrier Reef. So, what is this "rate" ? .

And there is the problem with solar. Only in Italy can you get 24 hours continuous output from a solar panel.. .

Aparently you can identify coral bleaching from the air... "...In early 2016 the Great barrier Reef turned white. Professor Terry Hughes, head of the multi-institutional National Coral Bleaching Taskforce, spent eight days flying over the reef, ranking the coral from unaffected to varying levels of bleached..." via Quaterly Essay, page 4. So, they already got a TASK FORCE ready to rock and roll before the 'event'... Hmmm, of course they gotta find a disaster... Though, we have a read of a 1952 news paper report and we find it has all happened before... "...Recent ALARMING REPORTS that coral had died on the Low Isles Reef had prompted the Great Barrier Reef Committee, Brisbane, to organise the expedition..." Party may solve mystery of two dying coral isles - The Courier-Mail (Brisbane, Qld. : 1933 - 1954) - 28 Oct 1952 Oh, Dear. "Alarming reports" of coral bleaching way back in 1952. I wonder if they had an aircraft to play with.. .

What! yer not worried about the reef ? Many aviation jobs are based on reef tourism. Just the negative media reporting of 'bleaching' has an effect... "...recent experience in Australia had shown that negative commentary about the status of World Heritage properties impacted on tourism..." Climate change, tourism and the Great Barrier Reef: what we know Personally, I'd like to go and have a look-see at this 'bleaching'. Plenty of people fly their aircraft over the reef every day. Somebody gotta have some co-ordinates for a bleached patch of reef ? .

I'm hearing from all sorts of alarmist sources that anything from 25% to 50% of the Australian Great Barrier reef (GBR) has been destroyed by global warming. Apparently it is all bleached.. I've flown up the coast over the GBR at low level many times over the last quarter century or so and never seen any coral bleaching. I'm wondering if somebody has seen this 'bleaching' and can give me some GPS co-ordinates so I can go and have a look-see ? .

Meanwhile, over in Germany... "After the German government decided to reduce subsidies to the solar industry in 2012, the industry nose-dived. By this year, virtually every major German solar producer had gone under as new capacity declined by 90 per cent and new investment by 92 per cent. Some 80,000 workers — 70 per cent of the solar workforce — lost their jobs. Solar power’s market share is shrinking and solar panels, having outlived their usefulness, are being retired without being replaced. Wind power faces a similar fate. Germany has some 29,000 wind turbines, almost all of which have been benefitting from a 20-year subsidy program that began in 2000. Starting in 2020, when subsidies run out for some 5,700 wind turbines, thousands of them each year will lose government support, making the continued operation of most of them uneconomic based on current market prices. To make matters worse, with many of the turbines failing and becoming uneconomic to maintain, they represent an environmental liability and pose the possibility of abandonment. No funds have been set aside to dispose of the blades, which are unrecyclable, or to remove the turbines’ 3,000-tonne reinforced concrete bases, which reach depths of 20 metres, making them a hazard to the aquifers they pierce." Bloodbath in the German solar “industry” — without subsidies 80,000 solar jobs are gone « JoNova .

Hmmm... somehow I doubt fly_tornado will talk much sense about this 'graph' as it appears the so-called 'facts' it is based on are made up. From the Adani attack book The Coal Truth by David Ritter - "...Graphs and data might have their origins in fact, but it is only to the initiated that they construct a visible story..." Obviously, as i'm not "initiated" into the green religion I will never see what the true believers see.. As to what is actually happening in India. From this months news - "...The government and CIL have undertaken various initiatives to improve transportation of coal. These include increasing rake availability for coal transportation, improving rail infrastructure for increasing evacuation capabilities, and investing in new rail lines. CIL targets supplying coal to all pithead power plants through roads and conveyor belts, with a view to freeing up railway rakes for long-distance transportation. The Coal ministry has also proposed investment of Rs 200 bn by CIL over the next 5-7 years to own 1,500-1,600 rakes. Start of the eastern dedicated freight corridor in 2021 is also expected to improve rake availability. The government is also encouraging the use of coastal shipping and internal waterways to increase coal evacuation and reduce transportation costs. These measures are expected to increase coal availability..." Why availability of coal at plants has been hit, IIFL explains .

Likely not. The islamic ideal of females being second class citizens appeals to many Oz males. Also, under islam, being able to rape unattended females and the females going to jail for causing the crime certainly has appeal to biker gang types (might be why islamic types are taking over Oz biker gangs) And then there's the islamic entertainment of throwing faggots off tall building. So I can see why many presently non-religious Oz males are fully supportive of further islamisation... And, back to the thread subject... There is currently an islamic nutter insurrection going on in the areas of the Philippines and Indonesia. They are only a short drone flight from Oz shores. .