can we fly during 30/8 and 10/9 ?

[Guest Graham Lea]

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I believe you can fly around SY during APEC as long as >you're pre-approved, submit a flight plan and have COM/XPDR.Have a look at http://www.airservices.gov.au/publications/current/sup/s7-h23.pdf

 

>There are two components, R902 where you can fly if you're approved, and the >HIDACZ closer to SY where you cant fly if you're "non-essential".

 

Yeh, I read the comix and associated stuff..

 

For anyone else here:( straight from dotars) via Crash Comix (aka Flight Safety Australia, CASA)

 

Quote:

 

Pre-registration for approval to fly....within Sydney Basin is due by 22 June 2007. Late requests for registration will not be accepted.

 

End quote.

 

 

 

>But if you do fly during APEC it might be a good idea to brush up on your military >intercept procedures.

ROFL Love it!!!

 

And for those not knowing how to do that, read the end of the ERSA.

 

Seriously: Be very, very careful

 

I have seen an unbelievable number of posts from people who are still "wondering" what to do. And most of the Flying Schools can claim their lost revenue of $50 for the day from the Government after they give them their tax file number. He He He.

 

Graham Lea

 

 

[Ultralights]

having worked on the RAAF weapon systems, i doubt that a Hornet or F111, or even the Hawk would be able to get a weapon resolution on most RAA aircraft, they simply don't have enough metal, or hot enough exhausts with a decent Infra red signature for any guided weapon to target. the only thing they could take you down with though is the cannon. and only having 300 rounds in the hornet, they would only get 1 very short bust in at a fire rate of 3000 round per min. the Hawk does carry a lot more in the centre pod though. and considering the fast jets stall at speeds above 100kts it would be impossible for them to track you for too long before having to fly past and come back behind you.

 

 

[Ben Longden]

What about air to air missiles, ground to air missiles or helicopter launched guided wire missiles... or have I been reading too much Dan Brown? :;)2:

 

Ben

 

 

[dreemhi]

Ben, I think you are referring to Dale Brown, ex USAF B52 and FB111 navigator turned author and I don't think you can ever read too much of his stories.

 

Back on the thread, here at Camden we have been seeing plenty of chopper activity, including late evening/night, possible practice? But as yet no sign of F18's. Since I can't fly during the exlusion, I think the least they could do is put on a bit of a show;)

 

David

 

 

[Mazda]

It is my understanding that a Police Air Wing Citation will be doing the scouting around, not Hornets. I'm sure they could call for military back up if required, but I really can't see the RAAF flying around all week in Hornets looking for stray Jabirus. After all, they are so used to flying in sterilised airspace with no traffic they might have forgotten how to look out for lighties anyway.

 

 

[Guest Fred Bear]

Callsigns for police citation is Polair 6 or 7. Can't remember. Been flying up quite high at ridiculous FL's doing goodness knows what. You can hear them quite a bit on my live feed, especially on Sydney Radar 124.550. Polair chopper complete with blue and red strobes overhead our place at no more than 150ft. Quite a show and not the sort of noise I complain about. :big_grin:

 

 

[Ultralights]

An Aim series air to air missile uses infra red heat sensors to track to the target, and is detonated by a movement sensor! just behind the tracking sensor in the nose, there is a glass section of the missile, about 2 inches long, inside here is a motion sensor that detects motion in a 360 degree area around the missile, a collar shaped sensor area, when the missile approaches the heat source, and the missile passes the aircraft its tracking, the motion of the aircraft through this area causes the missile to detonate! the casing of the missile is designed to fragment filling the aircraft with shrapnel.

 

the wire guided missile, which the RAAF don't have at the moment, is guided from the radar signature received in the aircraft, and the aircraft computer controls the flight of the missile to its target.

 

the other weapon the F18 has now is relatively new, called the AIM-120 AMRAAM, passive infra-red guided missile with re-programmable infra-red counter-counter-measures, which can be cued by a helmet mounted sight. these are the only weapons the RAAF have for air to air jabiru hunting! but i wouldn't classify a jabiru as producing enough exhaust gas to attract a missile!

 

 

 

now Polair coming up beside you with a shotgun out the window would be a deterrent!

 

 

 

does anyone know how big the radar signature of a jabiru Is? i think my vampire would show up well with a big all aluminium wing and 2 tail booms!

 

 

 

as someone mentioned before, i couldn't imagine the Hornets flying often, but im sure the sqn is on immediate scramble mode.

 

 

 

[sain]

I thought the amraams were radar guided... or is this just a different seeker head?

 

Either way i believe they are fairly expensive, I imagine most people's estates will bankrupt itself to pay for the missile they used to cremate you. Would save on burial and service costs though.

 

 

[Guest ozzie]

this stealth C150/150TD will give em sumthing to think about:laugh:

 

 

 

[Guest Flyer40]

If anyone is wondering where their approval number is, I'm told the people who are processing them don't start until tomorrow. Hopefully we'll have them by the end of the week.

 

Although the ASA briefings tried to convey the impression that no flying was happening during APEC, the company I rent from has no aircraft left during the APEC period. It seems that everyone is flying, assuming we get our approvals.

 

Had my briefing today so I can fly Camden-Gold Coast return during APEC.

 

The briefer advised that intercepts, if required, would be undertaken by Police in Citations and Caravans while a flight of 3 Hornets will be on station overhead to deter the bad guys. In all seriousness, the Hornets are only there to deter hijacked airliners. Not that it would happen, but a light aircraft would be taken out by a Blackhawk door gunner, not a Hornet.

 

I'm flight planning to depart via Richmond. I reckon it's more prudent to be in CTA heading AWAY from SYD under the watchful eye's of controllers than going it alone down the lane OCTA heading TOWARD SYD.

 

 

[eastmeg2]

I was just told today that somebody who works on the same office floor as me is going solo for their PPL at Bankstown on Thursday . . . First day of the APEC lockdown.

 

 

[Guest Fred Bear]

You get stacks of stories/rumours with events like these so I say a massive good luck to those that have the permission to fly in this event (unless you are a POLAIR/RAAF/COMMERCIAL/RESCUE pilot). Would love to see proof of those that are actually able to fly. If you ask me it's all overkill nonsense due to Mr Bush being here. Himself and many of the others that cause these dramas in the first place.

 

 

[IanR]

I am booked to fly a Yak at Camden on the 9th - right in the middle of things. They submit their plans 24 hours in advance and get approvals by flight - I presume transponder is probably mandatory though.

 

 

[jordy]

having worked on the RAAF weapon systems, i doubt that a Hornet or F111, or even the Hawk would be able to get a weapon resolution on most RAA aircraft, they simply don't have enough metal, or hot enough exhausts with a decent Infra red signature for any guided weapon to target. the only thing they could take you down with though is the cannon. and only having 300 rounds in the hornet, they would only get 1 very short bust in at a fire rate of 3000 round per min. the Hawk does carry a lot more in the centre pod though. and considering the fast jets stall at speeds above 100kts it would be impossible for them to track you for too long before having to fly past and come back behind you.

Wepons, ultralight !!! its the jet wash I'd fear most !! can you imajine what the blast is going to do to my windscreen (or poor excuse for one) let alone my face sitting perched out the front of the drifter when that thing roars past at 400 kts just to check me out!!!

 

 

[Guest Flyer40]

Wepons, ultralight !!! its the jet wash I'd fear most !! can you imajine what the blast is going to do to my windscreen (or poor excuse for one) let alone my face sitting perched out the front of the drifter when that thing roars past at 400 kts just to check me out!!!

I wouldn't worry about that. Intercepting AC are required to maintain 1000m lateral separation, but they can close to 200m to get a visual ID on you.

 

It all hinges on getting the approval number, but assuming we get it my wife and kids will fly with me and as a chronic risk avoider I wouldn't be flying if I thought there was any danger.

 

All this shooting down talk is just a bit of "what if" fun.

 

 

[Aussie Steve]

Top day flying

 

Had a magnificant day of flying today at Katoomba. Weather was glorious. Had the sky to our selves with only one "Ambulance Airservice" Huey go through, I did see two High wing G/A head into the zone probably going to Camden.

 

We had an early visit from RAAF security, a guy and a chick dressed in civys came in a car and were very pleasant and were just making sure that the CFI and all who were flying out of YKAT were aware of the No Fly Zone. They were informed about our changes for circuits and were pleased with the arrangments.

 

They chatted with us for about 30 mins checked out our aircraft and were gone. ;)

 

 

[rick-p]

Hey Darren is your 45 mlie radius bigger than ours up here or have you lost a chopper as one just flew over the house, lit up like a Christmas tree, big big big and noisy like a jet.

 

Maybe he just got lost and was looking for the local Donut King outlet.

 

Good thing I wasn't moon lighting.

 

Regards,

 

Rick-p

 

PS. I hope that he returns my roofing iron in due course.

 

 

[Admin]

Hey Darren is your 45 mlie radius bigger than ours up here or have you lost a chopper as one just flew over the house, lit up like a Christmas tree, big big big and noisy like a jet.Maybe he just got lost and was looking for the local Donut King outlet.

Good thing I wasn't moon lighting.

 

Regards,

 

Rick-p

 

PS. I hope that he returns my roofing iron in due course.

 

 

[Mazda]

I did some flying yesterday and there were no problems. There were 3 aircraft in the circuit at the time, and there were also some aircraft flying today.

 

 

[Guest Fred Bear]

It's good you guys were getting some flying in ;) I'm a little surprised really (of all the GA traffic around). I was at YBTH all weekend and there were heaps of lighties flying over (but that's well out of the 45NM mark) :)

 

Hey Darren is your 45 mlie radius bigger than ours up here or have you lost a chopper as one just flew over the house, lit up like a Christmas tree, big big big and noisy like a jet.Maybe he just got lost and was looking for the local Donut King outlet.

Good thing I wasn't moon lighting.

 

Regards,

 

Rick-p

 

PS. I hope that he returns my roofing iron in due cours

Ha ha ha ;) I know the feeling. Happens here often. But who will re-align my satellite dishes? :;)4: Do yours have the blue and red stobes on the bottom? Our have. They need Krispy Kreme Led's though. I think they would look better :)

 

 

[Guest David C]

I'm surprised too at the number of "lighties " over my place which is well within the 45NM radius of Sydney . I can only assume they managed to get approval , as I not seen any being chased by FA18's yet !! ..I'm hoping to get a fly at Hoxton Park on Saturday , but still waiting on the CFI there ..

 

Dave C

 

ps: Just had a call from Ashley Wile , CFI at Sydney Jabiru Flying School at Hoxton Park . They have approvals and I am flying a Tecnam Golf on Friday .. Really looking forward to that .

 

 

[Skyhog]

When did they change the cannon?

 

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having worked on the RAAF weapon systems, i doubt that a Hornet or F111, or even the Hawk would be able to get a weapon resolution on most RAA aircraft, they simply don't have enough metal, or hot enough exhausts with a decent Infra red signature for any guided weapon to target. the only thing they could take you down with though is the cannon. and only having 300 rounds in the hornet, they would only get 1 very short bust in at a fire rate of 3000 round per min. the Hawk does carry a lot more in the centre pod though. and considering the fast jets stall at speeds above 100kts it would be impossible for them to track you for too long before having to fly past and come back behind you.

In the years that I was an armaments specialist on the F/A-18,the M61A1 cannon held 578 rounds and had a high and low rate of fire(6000 or 4000 per min).How long since they changed to a lower capacity and slower gun?

 

 

[rick-p]

Hi Darren,

 

I found out what the chopper was the other night.

 

It was in fact the Capricorn Air Rescue chopper.

 

Big big big spotlight, probably got lost and was trying to find and read the roadsigns for directions.

 

I remember when I went on my solo x-country I was told to keep the river on my left only trouble was that there were 2 rivers and I ended up having to fly the highway at 10 feet to read the big black and white roadsign.

 

Quite a few suprised truckers.

 

I got back to base as the last of the gass was running down into the header tank.

 

Never again, learnt my lesson.

 

Regards,

 

Rick-p

 

 

[Guest Fred Bear]

Ha ha ha good one Rick ;) and great research you conducted! Yes, live and learn is the motto mate. We all make mistakes. Look, I was flying the other day and the POLAIR (police air wing) chopper got Wedderburn strip confused with The Oaks. Makes you wonder...:;)4:

 

 

[Guest Fred Bear]

ps: Just had a call from Ashley Wile , CFI at Sydney Jabiru Flying School at Hoxton Park . They have approvals and I am flying a Tecnam Golf on Friday .. Really looking forward to that .

Dave, let me know what is involved mate. I will try and make it out there. We are heading to YBTH after though so email me and let me know times etc as I would not mind having that a/c to fly as an option.