kgwilson Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 There were no RA rego numbers either before or after the restoration. There are unregistered aircraft all over Australia, some that have never been registered, those that get put in the back of a shed and forgotten about and those including GA that live on farms and have not been inspected or maintained correctly for years. Plenty of these are still flown illegally but never get close to populated areas or aerodromes. The only time we hear of them is if one crashes and the pilot &/or passengers are killed or severely injured. I don't see how that can be a RA issue or even a CASA issue unless it is made illegal to own an unregistered aircraft or one that hasn't had a CoA for X years. People will always do as they please especially if no one else is around to find out or to get the aircraft certified as airworthy means hundreds or thousands of KM travel. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 hours ago, kgwilson said: There were no RA rego numbers either before or after the restoration. There are unregistered aircraft all over Australia, some that have never been registered, those that get put in the back of a shed and forgotten about and those including GA that live on farms and have not been inspected or maintained correctly for years. Plenty of these are still flown illegally but never get close to populated areas or aerodromes. The only time we hear of them is if one crashes and the pilot &/or passengers are killed or severely injured. I don't see how that can be a RA issue or even a CASA issue unless it is made illegal to own an unregistered aircraft or one that hasn't had a CoA for X years. People will always do as they please especially if no one else is around to find out or to get the aircraft certified as airworthy means hundreds or thousands of KM travel. Under Self Regulation for a class of Aircraft, management is the responsibiity of the SAO along with much of the legal liability. Poor Behaviour is always a headache because the fallout is always negative for the SAO. In this case the aircraft is easily identifiable as one that needs to be registered by RAA to fly. It's unlikely that governments would make it illegal to own an unregistered aircraft; they don't with motor vehicles; there's no elevated risk when something is not operating. There's no interest by government if there are unregistered RA aircraft all over Australia because they are self administered, and it's up to the owner not to operate them whether next to a city or hidden in the outback. (To issue a prescriptive fine on a GA aircraft, CASA has to go out there and find them) The judgement comes when you injure or kill someone or damage their property; you get sued in a civil court for negligence and the payout is infinitely greater than the prescriptive fine you would cop from CASA for similar behaviour, albeit you would possibly have that payout on top of a negligence payout. However a self administering organisation can't just sit back and do nothing because when the injury or death occurs the plaintiff will often name the SAO as a co defendant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walrus Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 How would an SAA be liable for an aircraft whose registration has expired or was never registered in the first place? I fail to understand the legal theory. We know and it is well established that ignorance of the law is no excuse. The law states that unless the aircraft is registered with an SAA it is not allowed to fly and the SAA has stated that without payment of a fee, registration expires. ‘’The law appears quite clear on this in regard to road going motor vehicles, why not aircraft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, walrus said: How would an SAA be liable for an aircraft whose registration has expired or was never registered in the first place? I fail to understand the legal theory. We know and it is well established that ignorance of the law is no excuse. The law states that unless the aircraft is registered with an SAA it is not allowed to fly and the SAA has stated that without payment of a fee, registration expires. ‘’The law appears quite clear on this in regard to road going motor vehicles, why not aircraft? SAA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightrite Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Most know the guy was an idiot, he’s lucky to be alive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Flightrite said: Most know the guy was an idiot, he’s lucky to be alive! Who are you talking about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, turboplanner said: Who are you talking about? How childish; there's I big difference between the buyer and seller on this case and you've made a derogatory reference, not that anyone would believe it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightrite Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Ah poor Turbs, hates it when he doesn’t get his own way, entertaining g👍👍😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfly Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Flightrite said: Most know the guy was an idiot, he’s lucky to be alive! Most know heaps of simple truths, intelligent taxi tests kept him alive. Edited November 28, 2021 by Garfly 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfly Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 Ahhh ... one had almost come to miss that misanthropic giggle ... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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