China is sorting out their supply chain

[facthunter]

Titanium is FUNNY stuff as well. I can't see hoe you can PRINT Metal without the aid of heat. Nev

[onetrack]

Nev, they use powdered titanium, and it's melted with a laser as it's laid on the preceding layer of material. There's nothing surer than the fact that 3D printing techniques are developing at great speed.

 

However, for aviation use, consistency of product, so that it can meet certification is going to be the major hurdle to overcome.

 

Applications of 3D Printing in Modern Military Operations

BIGREP.COM

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Explore military applications of 3D printing, from field repairs to custom gear, that are boosting readiness, speed, and operational agility.

 

 

[turboplanner]

The industry has only got itself to blame for using Pidgin English to describe the process; it has cost them a lot of years in the take-up schedule.

[danny_galaga]

Pakistan used Chinese jets in the skirmish with India recently and reportedly downed some Raffaeles

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1w3dln352vo

Edited Wednesday at 10:39 AM by danny_galaga

[danny_galaga]

China may be about to debut world's first combat drone 

 

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3322417/china-poised-lead-world-combat-ready-loyal-wingman-fh-97-stealth-drone#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=17556965930736&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scmp.com%2Fnews%2Fchina%2Fmilitary%2Farticle%2F3322417%2Fchina-poised-lead-world-combat-ready-loyal-wingman-fh-97-stealth-drone

[onetrack]

Well, it's highly likely now, with moves such as the one below, that we're going to see a lot more Western technological design appear in Chinese high-tech equipment.

 

But nothing is really changing, this is how China gets its technological ideas. I saw an article several years ago where the writer stated that there's just 200,000 Western-educated and Western-trained China-born technological experts, who are behind all of China's technological and manufacturing gains.

 

They are Chinese-born, they go to the West to acquire their high-tech skills, then return to China to advance the country technologically, because they're loyal to the country.

 

Zhou Ming, top engineer involved in Boeing 787 and A380 design, leaves US for China | South China Morning Post

WWW.SCMP.COM

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The industrial software specialist is joining the newly established Eastern Institute of Technology as dean of its engineering college.

 

[danny_galaga]

13 minutes ago, onetrack said:

Well, it's highly likely now, with moves such as the one below, that we're going to see a lot more Western technological design appear in Chinese high-tech equipment.

 

But nothing is really changing, this is how China gets its technological ideas. I saw an article several years ago where the writer stated that there's just 200,000 Western-educated and Western-trained China-born technological experts, who are behind all of China's technological and manufacturing gains.

 

They are Chinese-born, they go to the West to acquire their high-tech skills, then return to China to advance the country technologically, because they're loyal to the country.

 

Zhou Ming, top engineer involved in Boeing 787 and A380 design, leaves US for China | South China Morning Post

WWW.SCMP.COM

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The industrial software specialist is joining the newly established Eastern Institute of Technology as dean of its engineering college.

 

So?

[onetrack]

Well, I was under the impression you were trying to make out the Chinese technological developments are the result of their innate skills. The bottom line is, they indulge in theft of Western technology wholesale (including massive levels of industrial espionage), to ensure they can gain technologically.

 

Add in their long-term effort aimed at gaining total or majority control of critical minerals (rare earths and zinc come to mind, straight up), and it becomes obvious that the long term game of the Chinese is world domination of minerals, technology and manufacturing, by any and every method available.

 

Just a moment...

WWW.CIPHERNEWS.COM

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 11:58 PM by onetrack
addendum...

[facthunter]

They have the highest Population (with India) and need supply security to exist.. Don't forget USA in the 30's denied Japan Oil and Rubber as a move to disadvantage them.  Nev

[danny_galaga]

16 minutes ago, onetrack said:

Well, I was under the impression you were trying to make out the Chinese technological developments are the result of their innate skills. The bottom line is, they indulge in theft of Western technology wholesale (including massive levels of industrial espionage), to ensure they can gain technologically.

 

Add in their long-term effort aimed at gaining total or majority control of critical minerals (rare earths and zinc come to mind, straight up), and it becomes obvious that the long term game of the Chinese is world domination of minerals, technology and manufacturing, by any and every method available.

 

Just a moment...

WWW.CIPHERNEWS.COM

 

 

I know you to be smart,  but when you and turboplanner say things like this you come off as kinda dumb. All people everywhere have the same potential. Yes, China has long been known to steal technology, but you seem to ignore the fact they are creating heaps of their own. You also seem to miss the point that people going to study in Ivy league universities are actually BRINGING ideas into the US. When you write a thesis, it's your original work, your original research. Lots of Australians go to the US to study as well. Is it China's fault if Australia doesn't capitalise fully on that?

 

Your last statement describes the US for the last hundred years. Nothing lasts forever, it's clearly going to be China's turn next. For better or worse, but I don't watch Sky News, so my own feeling is it's not going to be all that bad. At least it's not ruzzia. 

 

I'm sure I've posted it before but I think I might have to start every post on this subject with this link:

 

https://www.wipo.int/en/ipfactsandfigures/patents

 

 

[Methusala]

The lead of China and Russia in space and defence technologies is not due to espionage or 'patent theft'. If that was true then hypersonic missiles and 6th gen fighters would already be deployed in US and other western nations. They're not. The west has dropped the ball through its clever by half tactic of using low wage nations to build things (every thing'). It's why the battle in Ukraine is hopelessly lost. The rest of the world can outproduce the west. Example:Russia is producing millions of drones leading to Ukraine ceding more and more territory. See my above statements re. China's lead in STEM graduates and their huge re investments in production technologies. 

Edited yesterday at 03:21 AM by Methusala
Corrections grammar.

[facthunter]

They ALL  have to worry about their economies ESP the USA

  IF there's a real war,  nobody really will win IT. War is MADNESS today.   Nev

Edited yesterday at 05:07 AM by facthunter

[onetrack]

Methusala, it wouldn't be the first time an outnumbered country invaded by a larger and heavier-armed country, won their war, because of faulty strategies on the part of the invader.

I've been a front-line participant in one of those wars, where a guerrilla army with limited resources, but possessing rat-cunning resourcefulness, backed by a near-fanatical drive to rid their country of the worlds best-armed aggressive invader, actually won in the end - simply because the invader did not possess adequate fighting morale, and didn't have the full backing of their population.

 

There's a lesson there for one Russian dictator, who also lacks a military force with adequate fighting morale, a military that lacks capable leadership, and a population that doesn't exactly wholeheartedly support the dictator.

This current major East European conflict will continue as a war of attrition - and Russia is up against a spirited and dedicated population, who are also innovative and resourceful - and when the Russian losses reach a critical level (or the dictator dies, or is assassinated), then I would wager there will be a major crisis within Russia, as to whether it's worth them continuing an endless war, with minimal gains, that could last 15 years or more.

 

This was America's conundrum, and they took the decision to go home and cut their monstrous losses - which losses kept the country poor for more than a decade - and the full cost of that futile war is still felt today in the U.S. Russia has yet to face up to the full cost of their poorly-run current war.

 

Edited yesterday at 06:39 AM by onetrack

[skippydiesel]

Russia has a long history of wearing down its enemies by using its own as gun fodder.

 

Ukraine's military are exhausted. By comparison Russia has an almost inexhaustible supply of bodies to soak up bullets.

 

Ukraine can not win or get back its territories, without boots on the ground aid from Europe.

 

Its in Eu's (& the Wests) interest to see Russia put back behind it international boundaries, but as in the past, are hamstrung by democratic disunity. Eu is desperate for a strong unifying leader - who?????

 

Should Russia prevail, all the old satellite countries are at risk. Their relativly young democracies are already being undermined by Putin.

 

Coupled with the above is the "interested" spectators, China & N Korea - failure to support Ukraine will likly be seen as a greenlight for other dictatorships to take whatever territories they please.

 

Putin is very much the old style dictator - power is everything. He can not be trusted to keep his word on anything that does not suit his agenda. In his arrogance, he can not be seen to step back from the Ukraine war. His groupie, The Donal , has been plaid  sooooo easily.

 

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[Moneybox]

Isn't it  pity we can't all work together sharing knowledge and technology.

[facthunter]

Tell Pauleen Hanson that, and her voters.  Nev

[skippydiesel]

12 hours ago, Moneybox said:

Isn't it  pity we can't all work together sharing knowledge and technology.

We are still the primitive homo sapiens that walked the plains, in small family/tribal groups, thousands of years ago.

 

We support the tribal leader, invariably a psychopathic individual, driven by the belief they are born to lead/superior/ anointed by god .

 

Unfortunatly the characteristics, that drives an individual to seek leadership, are all to often linked to the need for more power and you know the truism about power corrupting etc.

 

Politics, organised religion & tribal identity have always been linked  - The leader will seek to enhance his standing by delivering what he (usually male) thinks the tribe wants while also minimising (eliminating in some situations) any opposition.

 

War/conflict has been used by leaders, since the beginning of time (even animals do it) to increase the tribal wealth and unify the tribe against the other. 

 

Its not hard to scratch the surface of modern man to reveal the fear of the other (racial/religious/ economic/gender difference's) Religious and political leaders have used this tactic throughout history to the present day.

 

Two current examples -  Russia v Ukraine & Israel V Palestine.

 

Russia has no economic need for the territory of the Ukraine but Putin does, in his insatiable hunger for power. The war distracts his poulation from seeking his removal and gives him excuses to supress any descent.

 

Israel, always riven by religious' discord (fundamentalists V liberals). Basically needs external threat (Arabs) to remain united. Netanyahu has remained in power by "stitching together" successive coalitions - To continue, he must meet the demands of his coalition partners, in the current case, the religious  fundamentalists (god bothering nutters). Not a history buff but I don't think the Israelis have had a leader, so bereft of ethical/ moral standards, as Bibi. Of course he is finished but determined to go out in the blase, of what he sees as glory, the destruction of Palestine - looks like he will succeed. 

 

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[Moneybox]

Politics is a dirty business so I must have had a lapse of common sense to make a comment on the subject. 
 

When I see reports that Ukraine is not allowed to use a particular weapon against the opposing force it reinforces my belief that the whole exercise is staged by world leaders and I can’t even take control of my domestic domain. 

[facthunter]

Well it's a bit like this Oneside not declaring ( WAR but having a 3 year one)  wants the Place Zelenskyy Runs and  also threatens to NUKE a lot of the West (Like the UK for Instance)................and he's got this big pile of Nuclear Bombs. and {people wo only want a World that HAS them in Charge like they  reckon it was  after WW2  when they were GREAT. Nev

Edited 16 hours ago by facthunter
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[danny_galaga]

From the editor of The Economist. Seems relevant:

 

"The Economist was founded 182 years ago to further the cause of free trade. But even we acknowledge that some goods are special—and few more so than semiconductor chips. Entire industries depend on them. Weapons systems are built around them. And in the contest between America and China to dominate artificial intelligence they could be the difference between victory and defeat. 

Less understood is that chips also pose a fiendish test for proponents of industrial policy. Their manufacture is a marvel of specialisation, complexity and globalisation. Under those conditions, intervening in markets is prone to fail. What is America to do?

Our cover leader this week begins with the parable of Intel. Despite lavish subsidies, America’s chipmaking champion is in grave trouble. An attempt to attract world-beating TSMC to spread from its base in Taiwan is faring better. However, although stronger chipmaking at home will make America more resilient, vital parts of the supply chain will continue to exist abroad. What’s more, TSMC’s factories in Taiwan will remain the single source of the best semiconductors for years to come. With something as important as chips, even the world’s biggest economy cannot afford to shut itself off from the world."

[skippydiesel]

1 hour ago, Moneybox said:

Politics is a dirty business so I must have had a lapse of common sense to make a comment on the subject. 
 

When I see reports that Ukraine is not allowed to use a particular weapon against the opposing force it reinforces my belief that the whole exercise is staged by world leaders and I can’t even take control of my domestic domain. 

On the first statement - Agreed !

 

On the second - Staged? As in a plot? I think not. Democratic leaders are, by nature, a timid lot. For fear of offending the electorate by sticking to a strong ethical position, they waft from one toe testing positions, to another. Its absolutly clear that Russia has no legitimate claim on the Ukraine or its democratically inclined population - Does the Free (?) World step in? noooooo and why not ? - Simple our so called leaders are jostling to stay at the back of the crowd, for fear of incurring the displeasure of their electorate and allies. Their hope is that The Donald will suddenly commit the US to boots on the ground and they will crowd in behind heroically yelling support of all kinds. 

 

Sort of similar with Israel - No one want to stand up to their big ally, Uncle Sam and no one wants to be labelled an anti-Semite, after the failure of the West to actively appose the Holocaust.

Israel has done its own thing for as long as its been in existence. The reality is Israel (not Jews) has been actively nibbling away at the the right of Palestinian's to exist/have a country.

You can not oppress a people and not expect a response.  Hamas  (along with others) is that response.  Hamas is no worse or better, than the fundamentalist Jews, who spout biblical text as their right to force Palestinians off their land. 

The Hamas  attacked on Israel  7 October 2023 was just what the Netanyahu religious  fundamentalist run government was waiting for, as an excuse to conduct genocide on the Palestinians - the fate of  hostages have always been collateral damage to the Netanyahu regime.

 

Rant Rant Rant!!!!!!

 

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[danny_galaga]

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/boeing-talks-sell-up-500-jets-china-bloomberg-news-reports-2025-08-21/

 

[facthunter]

Maybe Netanyahu allowed THAT to Happen . I recall the Egyptian Gov't ( Moslem Brotherhood) warning Israel that something BIG was going to Happen. It's extremely unlikely MOSSAD didn't know of it as well. 2 Officers of the IDF have been dumped Publicly over that. Nev

[danny_galaga]

Information is slim at the moment, but this sounds very interesting. Purported to be the worlds first VTOL jet powered drone, thus can be launched from most warships, making them sort of mini aircraft carriers

 

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/china-unveils-revolutionary-jet-powered-vtol-drone-that-can-turn-any-ship-into-strike-platform-media/