Gravity

Better re read yr own comments, it's very obvious that's what you implied. Anyway as I mentioned earlier this subject is beyond the scope of this thread really.

That's actually incorrect, VMCa is NOT blue line speed, blue line is VYSE! I'm not going to go into the complex perf requirements on twins as I believe it's beyond the scope of this thread.

That's very true indeed The one advantage of a twin is that if IFR then at least you still have yr vacuum Flt instruments to make sure you arrive upright at the crash scene!

I think everyone is over thinking this too much ( just my opinion no more so keep ur shirt on!) it's all about acceptable risks, no more no less, we each have our own limits. If you chose to fly over tiger country in an "ultralight" type engine powered machine then that's yr choice. There's no guarantees, there never will be regardless of airspace usage or any other feel good rating/certificate, again it's all about risk! You got yr RAA certificate full knowing its limitations, if you now don't like them then you should have gone for a proper full license! Do what YOU feel is right. I chose to fly only behind reliable certified engines and I avoid tiger country like the plague even in a proper aircraft. If & when I visit the RAA world of flying ( which may come to that some day) then I'll adjust my way of self preservation accordingly. All I can say is know the machine that yr ass is in, the rest is up to fate & destiny!

I would like to think that a switched on driver would be aware of his surroundings 360 degs especially what he/she has just traversed!

I I see Peter White will be involved, this ought to be good!!

Most people out there would act the same way, just observe, it's a form of shock, oh what do I do scenario?. Takes a particular kind of person to risk their own lives jumping into the unknown to rescue someone, the bystanders cannot be in anyway help responsible. I've been a part of an EMS team for years, it's no picnic it's very confronting! The pilot should not have been there in the first place, his family now suffer the consequences of his irresponsible actions, I feel for them.

Turbo am with you, trolling is not an appropriate tag at all, sad to see it even mentioned here actually!

I tend to agree there Nev but the RAA fraternity can always try, but we are talking about CASA here who give us commercial & GA drivers a very hard time so I wish them all the best -:)

Terribly sad, let's hope that from an investigation comes a cause/reason otherwise no one learns from others mistakrs/misfortunes-:(

Ex Excellent post you saved me the time to say pretty much the same thing. I equate this 'right' that some RAA drivers demand as to the LCC's that cruise our skies. The traveling public where screaming that fares where too expensive which they mostly where so the LCC service was invented for want of a better word. BUT since the introduction of super cheap NO FRILL fares everyone is now expecting. Full Service flight for the same ultra low money! I've spent years at the ATPL level & used to hear it all the time!! Simple you want the best you pay for it, user pays is the way things are these days!

Wh What sort of God would 'will' such a heinous act??

Good luck with that!

You won't be able to get CASA to see any form of common sense. All I can suggest is if you feel that strongly about having access to class D airspace then get a full GA pilots license.

Well we shall have to agree to disagree then, the leftist have ruined this country but that's for another forum!-:)

Very true, in fact a lot of aviation stuff originated from nautical history as when the flying machine was invented there where no standards as such to go on. I've always looked at left behind the leftist fruit loops the Greens, the nutters in our pilitical system to how can one get port & starboard confused?

Near 40 yrs driving planes and well over10000 hrs yeah am kinda aware of that!

Ive done the Bass Straight crossing to both major Tassy Islands many years ago several times and thought it was more fun than dangerous but now I'd never contemplate doing such things, self preservation has kicked in big time! -:)

Good reply there turbo. As we all know aviation is all about risk. That risk level is entirely up to the driver to asses and what value they put on their own life. Personally I now never fly over terrain where I don't have an option to at least have an excellent chance of surviving and I fly behind one of the most reliable engines ever made! I have a secret deal with my maker. I don't bother him and he doesn't bother me! -:)

That's just the way it is when you get so many egos all in the one room. Flying is inherently attractive to a certain kind of person and often the wrong type of person! As far as regs go? Well when you have an authority who are clueless, divided & morally corrupt then there will always be confusion. Part 61, part 141 are two examples that have left the GA industry in tatters! If it where not for RA then hardly anyone would fly as a hobby/interest but by reading these pages there seems to be of confusion even at the bottom of the ladder!

Terribly sad-:( There's nothing that can be done for her but hopefully her death will not be in vain and that some out there will learn from this event. RIP.

Imagine if that where Tigers! The Sky Gods QF would demand an emeadiate shut down, an inquiry and the grubby media would have a field day !!

Ex excellent post, shame some don't see it that way!

Idling motors in flight are not idling as if they where on the ground, there's a difference. Lots of miss information pops up on these threads!!

I've said it before elsewhere, flying at 500' or below taking off and or landing most of my attention is imeadiately underneath me as in where to set the plane down if needed, I also used this logic in low powered twins at MTOW. My attention span for such an event reduces the higher I climb. Anytime I come into a drome and I can do it without effecting others I do a power off as in idle landing, I never fly further away from the drome that I can't reach it if the noise stops, I'm always slightly high on final especially over built up area's, side slipping is a beautiful thing. Don't have to reach the rwy just the airfield where it's clear. A lot of engine failures occur during a power change, usually a reduction change. The one thing that concerns me these days at dromes where sausage factory training is going on is the 'jet' type circuits they teach, bloody dangerous!!