no asic

[tecnamdave]

I have a friend who intends to fly my Tecnam toWhyalla this coming weekend

 

Problem she has no ASIC and cannot land at Whyalla Airport can anyone suggest a suitable landing strip in the vicinity

 

 

[440032]

I can't see why she can't fly herself - Airport operators are required to provide visitors ID card (VIC) and an ASIC equipped escort to those who do not have an ASIC.

 

When she lands, if any goons approach, they will have an ASIC, and can be her escort! Make sure she identifies herself as just a visitor, and is requiring a VIC and an escort.

 

Or MAYBE fax or email a request in advance to the airport operator so that she can take a copy with her. Don't ask for permission to land - it's a public airport. ASIC has nothing to do with permission to land.

 

Just say "I am coming in on this date. I have no ASIC and will require a VIC and an escort to and from my aircraft, as required by Regulation 3.15 of the Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005." Job done.

 

Your friend seems to be not eligible for an ASIC as she does not seem to have need for "frequent" access - ie, more than occasionally. Lucky girl!

 

Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005

 

6.26 ASICs—application for issue

 

A person who has an operational need may apply to an issuing

 

body for the issue of an ASIC.

 

6.01 Definitions for this Part

 

operational need means:

 

(a) a requirement for frequent access to all or part of a secure

 

area of an airport where persons are required to display an

 

ASIC, for either of the following purposes:

 

1. the operation of the airport or an aircraft;
    
    
   

 

 

3.15 Requirements for airside generally

 

(3) The responsible aviation industry participant for the airside area of

 

the airport must ensure that the area can be entered only by:

 

(a) a person authorised to do so who:

 

(i) properly displays a valid ASIC; or

 

(ii) properly displays a valid VIC or TAC and is supervised

 

by someone authorised to enter the area who properly

 

displays a valid ASIC;

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

If this is the case, you might be onto a winner!

 

 

[rankamateur]

If this is the case, she is not the only winner. Most of us don't need the useless card either for the same reason.

 

 

[dazza 38]

I never got one because I don't need one. (And it is a rip off and does nothing what so ever for security) It is not compulsory unless you visit airfields that have RPT as far as I am concerned.

 

 

[davebutler]

I never got one because I don't need one. (And it is a rip off and does nothing what so ever for security) It is not compulsory unless you visit airfields that have RPT as far as I am concerned.

Unfortunately it is compulsory to have either an ASIC 0r AVID if you hold a CASA issued pilots licence. As far as being a rip off and waste of money, could not agree more with you. Just another TAX.

 

 

[dazza 38]

Unfortunately it is compulsory to have either an ASIC 0r AVID if you hold a CASA issued pilots licence. As far as being a rip off and waste of money, could not agree more with you. Just another TAX.

Yup, just get it once for the initial licence issue and then don't renew it ever again.

 

 

[dazza 38]

Yup, just get it once for the initial licence issue and then don't renew it ever again.

I better add for clarity, even though compulsory means mandatory . I use the "stupid government rules can be ignored" rule. And I am sure thousands of others do as well.

 

 

[SDQDI]

I better add for clarity, even though compulsory means mandatory . I use the "stupid government rules can be ignored" rule. And I am sure thousands of others do as well.

But if you didn't have a ASIC or AVID wouldn't that make your PPL void?

 

 

[Gnarly Gnu]

....Just say "I am coming in on this date. I have no ASIC and will require a VIC and an escort to and from my aircraft, as required by Regulation 3.15 of the Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005." Job done.

This is awesome, definitely post of the year or better.

 

 

[dazza 38]

But if you didn't have a ASIC or AVID wouldn't that make your PPL void?

Dunno and I dont care. There are alot of PPL guys out there who dont have a ASIC because they never fly into a RPT airfield. I havent flown a GA registered aircraft for years, I just fly RAA registered ones these days. GA became too expesive for me.

 

 

[dazza 38]

I can't see why she can't fly herself - Airport operators are required to provide visitors ID card (VIC) and an ASIC equipped escort to those who do not have an ASIC.When she lands, if any goons approach, they will have an ASIC, and can be her escort! Make sure she identifies herself as just a visitor, and is requiring a VIC and an escort.

Or MAYBE fax or email a request in advance to the airport operator so that she can take a copy with her. Don't ask for permission to land - it's a public airport. ASIC has nothing to do with permission to land.

 

Just say "I am coming in on this date. I have no ASIC and will require a VIC and an escort to and from my aircraft, as required by Regulation 3.15 of the Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005." Job done.

 

Your friend seems to be not eligible for an ASIC as she does not seem to have need for "frequent" access - ie, more than occasionally. Lucky girl!

 

Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005

 

6.26 ASICs—application for issue

 

A person who has an operational need may apply to an issuing

 

body for the issue of an ASIC.

 

6.01 Definitions for this Part

 

operational need means:

 

(a) a requirement for frequent access to all or part of a secure

 

area of an airport where persons are required to display an

 

ASIC, for either of the following purposes:

 

1. the operation of the airport or an aircraft;
    
    
   

 

 

3.15 Requirements for airside generally

 

(3) The responsible aviation industry participant for the airside area of

 

the airport must ensure that the area can be entered only by:

 

(a) a person authorised to do so who:

 

(i) properly displays a valid ASIC; or

 

(ii) properly displays a valid VIC or TAC and is supervised

 

by someone authorised to enter the area who properly

 

displays a valid ASIC;

The way I interpret the above, I don't require a ASIC because I dont have a operational need for one . Whether flying a aircraft with numbers or letters on the side.

Do I frequently visit a secure area on a airfield ? No I never fly into a airfield that requires a ASIC to be displayed. Also what is " frequent " that could mean daily , weekly or monthly. I used to fly in and out of Archerfield a lot but that was before this ASIC crap came about. Most PPL holders west of the great divide would be like, " whats a ASIC" lol

 

 

[coinz]

Must get pretty expensive,i have a MSIC (marine) paid by the company and it has to be updated every 2 years which means i have to resit the test that goes with it.

 

Think i'll stick with RAA as well.

 

colin

 

 

[ayavner]

the way the application for the PPL is written seems to imply that the ASIC is required, there are tick boxes for either "i have an ASIC" or "my application for ASIC is attached" so not sure there is a way around it for someone just starting out like myself. bumma...

 

 

[ayavner]

has everyone signed that change.org petition that was floating around? and what about the cutting red tape site? all we can do is keep squeaking the wheels...

 

 

[Gibbo]

Always used 'arrange' access via the fuel boys. Never a problem and was escorted by the fuel truck. ;). As long as your within their sight your supervised.

 

 

[AVOCET]

So a terrorist only has to flyin , cossy up the fuel guy , fill up , BANG !!

 

For the record , I'm against asic ,

 

But this is the rationalising that the Gov . uses !