Spriteah Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I saw an interesting bit of aviating on the weekend. At a toy run a 24-XXXX plane flew into the event, parked near the tower and about 50 people watch a guy, a girl and then a toddler exit the plane. Not the smartest idea I would think as it was a CASA employee who was running the unicom from the tower. Would not surprise me if the pilot receives a please explain in the mail. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I can't even remember the rules regarding this sort of thing for RAA, I know it's perfectly okay in GA. As long as you abide by the procedures for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit12 Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I wouldn't be surprised if the liability insurance for RAA doesn't cover any more than 2 occupants, plus anyone else unfortunate enough to get in the way on the outside of the aircraft. Don't know about policies about it, but I wouldn't like to bet on any insurance cover at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Isaac Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I can't even remember the rules regarding this sort of thing for RAA, I know it's perfectly okay in GA. As long as you abide by the procedures for it. Come on Tomo .. you know that RAA is Pilot + 1 PAX max. Not two seats with two kids on one seat and pilot on the other. What he did was veeerrry naughty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Quite a few years ago, I took my mrs and my young (toddler son) in a jab up to maitland. I quizzed the CFI of the school as to the legalitys, he produced the CAO's that allowed 2 people on a seat provided the combined weight was not in excess of 77 KG's. It was dual RAA GA school. The chief authorized the flight and off we went.. My Mrs filmed the landing and I put it up on youtube.. I was then promply innundated with emails, pointing out just how illegal it was. So, yes in GA 2 people can occupy one seat, but NOT in ANY RAA acft... (a long time ago, i saw a dude rock into a fly-in in a lightwing, with the mrs and 2 small boys...They were riding in the baggage area...;) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Come on Tomo .. you know that RAA is Pilot + 1 PAX max. Not two seats with two kids on one seat and pilot on the other. Yeah well I kinda thought that, but it's been a while since I've read the RAA book of rules regarding that sort of thing... it's hard work keeping up with both the GA and RAA world! Now which aircraft am I flying... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Isaac Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 You keep that up too ya cheeky yung pup ... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howard Hughes Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 It concerns me that people are flying around not knowing (or ignoring) the most basic of rules, what else don't they know (ignore)? I'm not even an RAA licensed pilot yet (just a groupie), but I'm fairly sure I know what it says! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 It concerns me that people are flying around not knowing (or ignoring) the most basic of rules, what else don't they know (ignore)? I'm not even an RAA licensed pilot yet (just a groupie), but I'm fairly sure I know what it says! This is true, I reckon people come across from GA and assuming the same rules apply and they get bitten. Not sure if that's out of ignorance, or just 'she'll be right'. I'll be honest, I didn't know the exact (vaguely did, but not confident) answer for it at first, but I would certainly not do it unless I had an exact answer to what I was going to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 G'day HH. I think that normally what happens is people get confused and loose interest straight away when ever anyone talks about reg's etc. And lets face it, the current system of AIP, CAO, CAR, CAAP is not a very efficient way to organise it all. But having said that, the RAA ops manual and technical manual are relatively easy documents to get on top of. 90% of people just ask or wait for someone to tell them what the rules are..;) In my case above this is certainly what happend. I do believe that it is a requirement to placard RAA acft with "max two people" etc...not sure, but think thats the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howard Hughes Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Been looking for the reference all afternoon, in between wrangling the billie lids, I'm sure I'll find it eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 The RaAus or CAO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howard Hughes Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 RAAus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Yeah well I kinda thought that, but it's been a while since I've read the RAA book of rules regarding that sort of thing... it's hard work keeping up with both the GA and RAA world! Now which aircraft am I flying... Geez you REALLY know you're getting old when you start reading about Tomo losing recency. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 HH I have to tell you that RAAus pilots are not licenced, they are certificated. I nearly said certified. Boom Boom. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne T Mathews Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Have you ever noticed how some words just don't feel nice to say? I reckon certificated is one of them... But it beats being certified... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz3g Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Have you ever noticed how some words just don't feel nice to say? I reckon certificated is one of them... But it beats being certified... Beats being crucified, too! Which is what will happen if CASA or the Ops Mngr gets involved. kaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howard Hughes Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I have had a look! <looks around> Clearly it's certifiable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 HH.. Saw your new 350 at ywol a few weeks ago...If I give you my number, you reckon you can get her to call me??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litespeed Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I have had a look! <looks around>Clearly it's certifiable... Then a frontal lobotomy for the pilot is recommended for public safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidh10 Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 .. what else don't they know (ignore)?.. Weather reports, NOTAMS, closed runways, weight limits on runways / taxiways, restricted areas, landing over the top of aircraft already on the runway, inaccurate radio calls or none at all.... the list goes on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guernsey Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Three people on board??? What if your passenger was a female nearly nine months pregnant and carrying twins?? If you had a fatal accident would that be two deaths or four ? We all know the answer of course but it is interesting nevertheless. Alan the ponderer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastmeg2 Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Well Alan, If there was a sudden arrival during flight we could have a legal problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne T Mathews Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Well Alan, If there was a sudden arrival during flight we could have a legal problem. Legal problem, shmegal problem... What about the seat covers, eh?... What about the seat covers??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guernsey Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Seat covers??? Seat covers??? Did they have life jackets on board.? Alan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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